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hello and welcome to the show

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and it's been a long awaited show here

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in Phoenix out of the snow snow is left

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behind and I actually got out this year

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last year I don't know if you remember I

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plan to come out here and we had six

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snowstorms in ten days you remember that

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don't you

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and flight was canceled but I actually

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booked the flight almost a week early

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just to make sure that didn't happen

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I'm here and I am here with a full round

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table and you know I'm gonna confuse

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everyone's names so I'm just gonna have

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everyone just say their name and the mic

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I'm Dean Alioto dealmaker I'm dr. Bob

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Wenzel gross I'm Jason McClellan Yvonne

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Smith alien-abduction

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hypnotherapist Travis Walton Jim Lowe

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attorney co-author of Avon's latest book

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heidi GAD I'm just a girl that does a

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radio show too

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I'm Kevin Gausman I do that show with

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her wow do you hear those radio voices

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just then those were good I'm Jennifer

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I'm Stanton Friedman nuclear physicist

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ufologist all right well Stan go ahead

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and hold on to the mic thank you well

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first of all thank you all so much for

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coming I really appreciate it and you

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know when you do these types of shows I

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didn't know if there'd be like no one

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showing up or one I think the first year

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you've always showed up thank you very

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much for that you and you and Cathy and

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you I think we did that can main yeah

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yeah and Travis always shows up Thank

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You Travis

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so anyway I'm real excited to have this

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great Roundtable some people brought in

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some questions and Stan why not just ask

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you one of these questions in because it

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kind of has to do with the DoD

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announcement back the New York Times

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article I shouldn't say that came out so

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a question came in if a mass sighting

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event

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the Phoenix lights occurred in present

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time how different do you think the

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government and media response would be

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due to the post DoD announcement well I

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don't know because I don't know what's

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behind the DoD announcement I don't know

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whether somebody pushed a button and

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said it's time or whether they're

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anticipating something else happening in

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the very near future which will make it

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all clear I have no idea so I'm I'm

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really excited about the possibility if

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something is full happening it's about

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time 70 years plus yours is long enough

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on the other hand who can judge what's

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going on I was very impressed with the

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quality of the people who stood up

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publicly their titles were impressive to

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say the least

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does anyone else care to comment on that

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particular question or since we already

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article does anyone have any thing they

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want to talk about in regards to that

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response be to a Phoenix lights type

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incident today it's always an

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interesting thing to contemplate because

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we would think that you know more people

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are looking to the skies and and also

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considering the possibility of things

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like that happening but we look at the

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incredibly you know earth-shattering

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things that do happen every single day

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and how quickly they disappear from the

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news from the headlines because we have

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short attention spans yes you know

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things are hot news items this week and

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maybe last even monumental things happen

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and last for maybe a week and then we're

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then gone the next week yeah yeah before

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this you go ahead and take that but

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before you write you took before we I

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out here this is just a great story and

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real nice guy we were chatting and and

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he said he's uh basically he was I don't

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know what you call it not jump seating

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but he's a you know airline pilot for

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American Airlines so and he said yeah I

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used to fly military the f-18 Hornet and

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I said oh you did I said hey yeah let me

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ask you something what do you think

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about the government coming out with you

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know saying that Pentagon had a program

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on UFOs what do you think about that and

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said I'll tell you one thing they're

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real and I said really I said well what

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do you mean he says I saw a guy I know

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what I saw

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miles by green orb and it lit up his

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cockpit the whole thing and so I go

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you're kidding and and he said he called

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there was no radar data on it at all but

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anyway and he goes you don't think I'm

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crazy do you and you know that's one of

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the topics I want to bring up you know

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that we're still fighting that even

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though it comes out you know in the news

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and everything we're still fighting are

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you crazy you know because he saw yeah I

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is Dean where'd you get that beer hey I

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didn't know that was an option I have

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got water apparently not it's mine

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clearly the one thing that I wanted to

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talk about that I haven't really heard a

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lot about with regards to the the

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footage by the New York Times is the the

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cause and effect of it I think what is

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of utmost importance is that we take it

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from this being this kind of strange

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phenomenon into something that's more

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accepted and so when you have something

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like this that comes out you have a

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major newspaper coming out you're

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basically saying yeah this is happening

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it validates it does it change anything

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overnight no not really but what it does

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is it gets people to go okay this is

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becoming normal this is now becoming

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accepted which is the toughest part

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especially for everyone in this room to

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convince people of it normalizes it I

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saucers and I prefer the title to UFO

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incidentally all flying saucers or UFOs

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not all UFOs or flying saucers and I

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worried about I get my first lecture in

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1967 a long time ago and I was waiting

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for the laughter the ridicule etc and I

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never got it I've had 11 hecklers two of

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whom were drunk in over 700 lectures so

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what I'm saying is what I have found is

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that people are ready to believe in

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flying saucers but they're worried about

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other people will think that they're

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nuts for doing so not that they think so

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so I've had people ask me at the end of

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a full house lecture how about polling

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this audience because I had given some

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Gallup poll data indicating the greater

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the education and more likely to believe

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in flying saucers and so forth and I

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said well usually it's not my job to get

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people to stick their necks out that I'm

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the next sticker out there and well I

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don't think anybody had mine everybody

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clapped so I asked I said I'll ask two

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questions how many people think that no

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UFOs are alien spacecraft and how many

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people think some UFOs are intelligently

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controlled extraterrestrial spacecraft

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than 10 percent said none are more than

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extraterrestrial spacecraft so that

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accounts for the fact that I haven't run

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into this laughter Curtin this very

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ridicule etc etc people given half a

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chance will say that they're interested

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in the subject they believe in the

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subject they've had a sighting but I've

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checked audiences at the end of lectures

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how many people here believe they've

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seen what I would consider to be a

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flying saucer having defined my terms

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earlier and just raise your hand and

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do that and it's typically 10% of the

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the people there but then I ask how many

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of you reported what you saw 90% of the

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hands go down so I've seen this

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everywhere and in a big classroom I once

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asked and it turned out that 80% thought

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most people didn't believe in UFOs and

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so the reality and is in other words

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it's fertile soil they're ready for us

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to put the facts on the table okay all

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how many people here think that some of

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what people are seeing are actually

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extraterrestrial raising hands I guess I

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don't have to ask the other question

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yeah okay oh yeah there's yeah there's

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all but I mean when he says what he's

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saying some so this is Jennifer Stein I

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question that we've been pondering I've

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had a few minutes to think about it

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and the question was to repeat it if

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there was a major newspaper article

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today would the recent say New York

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credible people from the Defense

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Department and things speaking about a

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secret you know research program that

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went on what a new incident be taken

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more seriously I think we need to look

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at an historical context of this

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phenomenon and there's a what you might

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call relatively recent historical

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context over the last 60 years there

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were of course many reports prior to say

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1945 47 52 but between 47 and 52 there

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articles of course most people know

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about the Roswell article that made the

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mainstream of many covers of newspapers

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saying that the US was coming out or you

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know a Floss a saucer had been you know

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discovered in New Mexico and

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and of course it was covered up but I

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think if you look at the Robertson panel

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you go back and look at the Robertson

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panel the Robertson report the desire

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which is available on the web for

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listeners they can google this and go

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find it

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there was a deliberate attempt to debunk

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the topic both in Hollywood and in

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newspapers and in media and we are

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coming probably I hope to the tail end

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of that debunking process when we get

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more credible people coming forward to

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discuss these things I think that it may

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have an effect and most of the people

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that are here especially people like

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Stanton and the long term researchers

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who became writers and researchers in

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this field they were inspired because of

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what they did see in the newspaper in

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1947 and 1949 in 1952 and going forward

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and they became the researchers of today

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that we are still relying on and

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referring to and we now are probably

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that for the next generation so yes I

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think it's important I think not

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everyone will pay attention to it but

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some will and I think we need to keep

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that in mind going forward and I'm gonna

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pass the mic to dr. Bob gross thank you

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I I totally agree with what you're

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saying right now my area of research

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since like at least 2013 has been

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involved with something known as

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existential intelligence and I'm a firm

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believer of Howard Gardner's multiple

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intelligences theory and people with it

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and makes essential intelligence of

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strong existential intelligence which I

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believe I have and I'm sure we all do

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here we wouldn't be here right now we do

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look at the bigger picture I mean there

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are so many options as to what a UFO is

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and I don't think UFO is a very good

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term to describe what we're seeing out

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there like you were saying there's other

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dimensions there's things there's you

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know

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holographs or holograms and it could be

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a lot of different things that people

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are seeing but I can tell you through my

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research and interviewing people a

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hundred percent no ninety-nine percent

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of the people have seen something and

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either actually you know develop tools

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to see what they can actually what they

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are that they're for sure seeing some

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kind of anomalous phenomenon and to me

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it's extremely valuable for people to

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see this in today's society because it

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actually grows the brain by having these

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kind of anomalous experiences and being

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able to perceive them properly and have

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the knowledge to have the skills and the

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habits of mind the whole attitude about

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this thing it's extremely important to

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take it serious because it's a benefit

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to mankind it's just not a fluke thank

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you this is a Kevin gassmann so when I

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think about when the media when they put

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a story out like this you know they have

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to run with it they have to roll that

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they can't just put it out one day and

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disappear with it you know and that's

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where the conversations could lead to is

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where the nation leads us is where the

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news is going to lead us were we're

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going to get these articles from that

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they just come constantly from NBC CBS

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and then people might start turning a

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corner a little bit I got to see kind of

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like marijuana a little bit you know

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everyone's turning the page towards that

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but as far as aliens it almost has to be

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the same way you have to kind of

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convince them that no this is a real

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this is really what's going on you're

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just thinking out of it in a different

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way you have to look at it in different

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ways so the media has to control that

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narrative and continue it you just get

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throw it up there and people want more

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of it they have to find on the web and

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they got to figure out if it's real if

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it's not real and it's they go sell this

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rabbit hole of how far it goes yeah on

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that on that in particular I've been in

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communication with both Leslie Kane but

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Ralph Blumenthal who was part of that

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article and he said you know I asked him

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on the show he's been on my shows one of

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the only people to interview him he said

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he'd be on the show again but he says

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hold tight we have more coming out and

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it's all being directed most you know by

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the New York Times so they're kind of on

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top of it the way

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they want things too they don't want it

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to die either because it was a really

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big deal for them I mean you know they

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have a lot of big news all the time but

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like Jason said you know things go away

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so quickly you know it's a ephemeral

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Society we're just it's gone like in a

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day or two yeah well the other thing

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that we're I'm Dean Ellie Oregon I'd

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love your voice dude is is that I fell

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I'm I'm I'm in a different camp here

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than than all of you people who I have

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immense respect for because I started

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out doing something that was just basic

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it was my first feature and I had to

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make before I turn 25 like all of my

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idols filmmaking idols and so I thought

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well what can I do I've got 6,500 bucks

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to tell a story so I can do a home video

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that's all I can do with that amount of

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money so I thought all right I'll do a

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home video where something interesting

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happens so I came up with the idea of

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what if this family in the cabin up in

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the hills celebrating this girl's 500

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birthday party experiences an encounter

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and then one by one that get abducted

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Stanton's giving me the evil eye right

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now as I'm saying this it was just a it

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was just a device to kind of get me to

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be able to get to my first film but tell

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a story that that was based around

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family family is really important to me

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and so um anyway I made this thing and

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and I did consult communion I consulted

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Stanton's books as many books to Alan J

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Hynek that I can get my hands on and

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definitely dr. Jacques Vallee and so I

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wanted to have it be this thing that was

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kind of raw and a real experience of

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what it would feel like and so that was

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my intention and then when someone added

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off the credits someone much smarter

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than me and interjected into the UFO

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community it became this huge thing that

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this is the 25th anniversary at

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International UFO Congress convention

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which is why I'm here it became this

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thing that that people believed it was

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real and then I got you know all this

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feedback from people that I kind of

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stepped into it that's was my

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introduction into this whole world and

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and I you know font I said hey hey hey

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this was not meant for anything other

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than a cinema verite I mean it has to be

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able to express yourself and everything

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I didn't know that it was you know

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ten years before Blair Witch and it was

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gonna be the same so it was a device

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anyway long story short I see now that

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anyone can fake anything and it's

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terrifying for me because I really want

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to see a UFO I want to see what that

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looks like and I'm uh you know I'm up

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late at night like everyone else on

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YouTube and and I'm looking for it and

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I'm going fake fake fake and when I saw

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that the stuff in the New York Times I

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was like all right this isn't thank God

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there are certain you know tell tales

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but you have to become an expert in and

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of itself and we need people to to kind

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of filter out that and that's where

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everyone here you know comes in yeah

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I've got after after you I have a

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question for Travis but go ahead again

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this dr. Bob grows again but the tad

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with you what you were saying I have had

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the experience to have a at least one

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close encounter with UFO I've had

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actually five if you don't count the

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time I almost got now it got knocked

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over by ball lightning when I was a kid

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but so I've actually seen five and one

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up close and I must say that I have got

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to say that I can't say that any of

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those were from another planet but there

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were some that I am any experiences

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unreal it's the the greatest aesthetic

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experience that you've ever had in your

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life and you want to have another one

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you know and you know that once you had

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that experience you'll never forget it

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and you actually seek out another one

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come hell or high water

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yeah I'm sorry about question for Travis

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before that though I just want to say

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this show was just nominated as one of

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the top 60 YouTube channels and the u2

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in you know et and all that

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congratulations well no not it's got a

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bad story to it so so and it has to do

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kind of like what you were just talking

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about so I open it up to see who the

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people ahead of me were number one was

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third phase of the Moon number two was

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secure team ten so I said take me off

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the list these are people that hoax for

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money and you know it's unfortunate and

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what I'm getting I'm not getting at just

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that but what I'm getting

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is to your point the person who is

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actually curious is going to get online

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and gonna get on YouTube see fake videos

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and then they're gonna get burned

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they're gonna realize they're just

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wasting their time and then they're

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gonna go away and not care any more

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about it so there's nothing we can

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really do about that just keep you know

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keep letting people know that this is

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this is Jennifer Stein traditionally for

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a long time I'm gonna say since the

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internet began UFOs are one of the top

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researched topics and of course the

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topic that's bigger than that there's

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only one topic above it

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unfortunately it's porn it's right so

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this question came in for Travis so

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Travis using a hypothetical scenario

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with a presidential disclosure

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announcing that we've been engaged with

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ETS for over decades this person want to

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know if you would feel vindicated by all

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this well certainly but I think the

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media and you know the public perception

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is is playing catch-up here I was kind

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of surprised that a little bit of the

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reaction to the announcement in December

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was so what else is new you know I mean

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like this is not new right we knew this

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and they're they're finally admitting

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something that generally and in the

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general public was already held to be

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the the situation yeah okay no I agree I

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agree thank you

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it it is what I am concerned about the

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most as like I said and what Jason said

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too is that it's just going to fade away

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and just be another story and you know

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it's the only thing we can do is just

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hope for more information coming out and

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more films if they get released waiting

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waiting for the other shoe to drop

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what's next

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right right anyone else on what we were

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so I just want to make the point of what

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creates a credible witness like we have

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so many people even at this table who've

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had or seen been witness what not why is

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it do you guys think or any of you think

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that that's just so hard for the general

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population to believe I've given over

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seven hundred lectures fifty states

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ten provinces 19 other countries my last

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was Bulgaria I mean and I don't find

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that people have trouble believe in this

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I look at the reaction of my lecture the

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questions I ask at the end and stuff

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like that

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and they're with me I'm not a masochist

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I don't do this - he slings and arrows

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of outrageous we're past that stage but

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we have to learn that people are past

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that stage don't talk down to your

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audience don't think they're gonna jump

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on you they're not they want to know

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more that's why they come to my lectures

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but Stan let me just argue that point

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just a little bit don't you think it's

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possible that the people that attend

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your liquor lectures are already halfway

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there well probably but I think

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everybody's already halfway there

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they've been exposed all over the place

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there's another point - unlike can say

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the 40s we now all know that governments

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will lied to us I mean that's a

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tremendous discovery well some of you

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aren't old enough to realize it

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at the time of the second world war the

542
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government protected us against the

543
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:53,070
great scourges of mankind we trust the

544
00:23:57,950 --> 00:23:55,650
government they will do right for us and

545
00:24:02,570 --> 00:23:57,960
by us you don't see much of that

546
00:24:04,910 --> 00:24:02,580
attitude anymore so UFOs are part of

547
00:24:06,740 --> 00:24:04,920
this overall picture the government

548
00:24:11,180 --> 00:24:06,750
lying of course they're lying that's the

549
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:11,190
reaction I get from people so times have

550
00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:12,720
changed but in a different direction

551
00:24:18,050 --> 00:24:16,110
from what you might expect okay to

552
00:24:20,660 --> 00:24:18,060
further address that topic that you

553
00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:20,670
brought up this is Jennifer Stein it is

554
00:24:25,370 --> 00:24:23,130
the media that projects an image

555
00:24:28,670 --> 00:24:25,380
of disbelief more than the general

556
00:24:31,550 --> 00:24:28,680
public I believe and Staunton even in in

557
00:24:33,710 --> 00:24:31,560
the film I made about Travis's case he

558
00:24:35,810 --> 00:24:33,720
brought out that in the 1970s there was

559
00:24:37,220 --> 00:24:35,820
this big debacle with a lot of the major

560
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:37,230
newspapers where they were playing

561
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:39,690
footsie with the CIA and it actually

562
00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:42,480
came out and was quite a big story and

563
00:24:46,570 --> 00:24:44,370
then it was you know quickly covered up

564
00:24:49,970 --> 00:24:46,580
but there was a lot of attempts to

565
00:24:51,950 --> 00:24:49,980
debunk and report back from conferences

566
00:24:54,140 --> 00:24:51,960
what people were saying I mean stanton

567
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,150
can discuss the historical data of that

568
00:24:58,970 --> 00:24:56,400
a little bit better if you'd like but I

569
00:25:01,310 --> 00:24:58,980
think the general public is open to it I

570
00:25:03,140 --> 00:25:01,320
think anyone can be a credible witness I

571
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:03,150
think we've had tons of credible

572
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:06,480
witnesses and it's really the way that

573
00:25:12,020 --> 00:25:09,690
those stories get reported is where the

574
00:25:14,330 --> 00:25:12,030
debunking comes in and we're all victims

575
00:25:17,390 --> 00:25:14,340
of that I mean society in general is

576
00:25:19,370 --> 00:25:17,400
victim of that we're unable to move

577
00:25:25,370 --> 00:25:19,380
forward as a society because of the

578
00:25:27,410 --> 00:25:25,380
general approach this is Jim I'm

579
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:27,420
actually an election attorney and I

580
00:25:32,570 --> 00:25:29,010
represent politicians and I write

581
00:25:37,900 --> 00:25:32,580
initiatives to back up what mr. Friedman

582
00:25:41,660 --> 00:25:37,910
said when Hillary Clinton talked about

583
00:25:45,070 --> 00:25:41,670
UFO issues or she called it something

584
00:25:48,380 --> 00:25:45,080
else aerial phenomena I believe he's

585
00:25:51,970 --> 00:25:48,390
politicians when I would write in when I

586
00:25:55,010 --> 00:25:51,980
read an initiative they pull tests

587
00:25:57,500 --> 00:25:55,020
everything I'm putting in it every major

588
00:26:00,680 --> 00:25:57,510
theme to see what polls

589
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:00,690
it would have been election malpractice

590
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:04,080
for the Clinton campaign not to pull

591
00:26:09,170 --> 00:26:07,440
test that ahead of time and there were

592
00:26:12,290 --> 00:26:09,180
two people running against her in the

593
00:26:14,330 --> 00:26:12,300
Democratic side and 7/8 I think 17 on

594
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:14,340
the Republican side not one of them

595
00:26:21,730 --> 00:26:17,850
attacked her for that and you have to

596
00:26:23,690 --> 00:26:21,740
think about this that y-you know

597
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:23,700
something's turned a corner

598
00:26:31,820 --> 00:26:27,210
things happen in politics and in in

599
00:26:33,500 --> 00:26:31,830
society faster the LB G I can never say

600
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:33,510
that too fast when I'm trying to talk

601
00:26:36,780 --> 00:26:35,970
about something but you know the gay

602
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:36,790
movement

603
00:26:42,210 --> 00:26:39,010
forward quickly than me - you know

604
00:26:44,940 --> 00:26:42,220
things happen much quicker nowadays and

605
00:26:49,740 --> 00:26:44,950
so when there's a critical mass reached

606
00:26:51,660 --> 00:26:49,750
and you've got the two biggest media

607
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:51,670
outlets in the country the most

608
00:26:55,950 --> 00:26:53,530
influential The Washington Post which is

609
00:26:58,410 --> 00:26:55,960
still debunking everything and they have

610
00:27:00,420 --> 00:26:58,420
been since the beginning in the New York

611
00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:00,430
Times the New York Times has split off

612
00:27:07,290 --> 00:27:04,000
from that talk about like as Leslie Kean

613
00:27:09,540 --> 00:27:07,300
wrote that article but her co-author one

614
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:09,550
of her co-authors was the chief Pentagon

615
00:27:14,220 --> 00:27:11,890
correspondent for the New York Times I

616
00:27:16,290 --> 00:27:14,230
mean we're talking about it you know it

617
00:27:18,570 --> 00:27:16,300
wasn't just someone from the society

618
00:27:22,980 --> 00:27:18,580
page writing it I mean they brought in

619
00:27:25,140 --> 00:27:22,990
heavy hitters on that now the program

620
00:27:26,970 --> 00:27:25,150
they let you know that they talked about

621
00:27:28,830 --> 00:27:26,980
was only a twenty million dollar black

622
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:28,840
program and that's like pocket change

623
00:27:36,330 --> 00:27:33,850
and notice the DIA and others came out

624
00:27:39,270 --> 00:27:36,340
with debunking articles right after that

625
00:27:41,610 --> 00:27:39,280
so obviously it's still a bone of

626
00:27:44,790 --> 00:27:41,620
contention than the government but

627
00:27:46,500 --> 00:27:44,800
things change quickly and people are

628
00:27:49,650 --> 00:27:46,510
more receptive to this than you think

629
00:27:50,820 --> 00:27:49,660
because for one thing the 2016 election

630
00:27:52,860 --> 00:27:50,830
it would have never been an issue

631
00:27:59,100 --> 00:27:52,870
because they anyone remember Dennis

632
00:28:00,390 --> 00:27:59,110
Kucinich yep I just want to make a quick

633
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:00,400
comment and then I will pass the mic

634
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:03,370
down this is Jason but this is why I

635
00:28:06,750 --> 00:28:05,530
find the ridicule factor so fascinating

636
00:28:10,350 --> 00:28:06,760
the giggle factor that's still

637
00:28:13,140 --> 00:28:10,360
associated with UFOs and I agree 100%

638
00:28:16,110 --> 00:28:13,150
with Stan you know we have this thing in

639
00:28:18,270 --> 00:28:16,120
society and pop culture where the

640
00:28:21,390 --> 00:28:18,280
initial reaction to anything ufo-related

641
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:21,400
is to laugh and I'm sure most of us have

642
00:28:25,770 --> 00:28:23,890
experienced that at this table where if

643
00:28:28,650 --> 00:28:25,780
we're talking with someone about UFOs or

644
00:28:31,470 --> 00:28:28,660
anybody finds out that we have something

645
00:28:33,690 --> 00:28:31,480
to do with UFOs there's an initial you

646
00:28:35,340 --> 00:28:33,700
know kind of laugh about it but when

647
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:35,350
they find out that you're serious or

648
00:28:39,030 --> 00:28:36,490
you're not going to make fun of them

649
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:39,040
then they open up they've got a story

650
00:28:44,940 --> 00:28:41,530
they've got a connection and this is a

651
00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:44,950
universal topic everybody is somehow you

652
00:28:49,710 --> 00:28:47,110
know affected by this topic has an

653
00:28:53,580 --> 00:28:49,720
experience so just like Stan said I mean

654
00:28:55,230 --> 00:28:53,590
everybody is on board already for some

655
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:55,240
reason there's still this layer of that

656
00:28:59,010 --> 00:28:57,970
that giggle factor at the beginning but

657
00:29:06,300 --> 00:28:59,020
you get beyond that

658
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:06,310
and people are on board speaking of

659
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:08,410
nervous giggles this is Bob Gross again

660
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:12,370
but one thing that I wanted to throw out

661
00:29:17,310 --> 00:29:14,290
my recent research that I've been doing

662
00:29:19,230 --> 00:29:17,320
involved quite a bit of research on an

663
00:29:21,090 --> 00:29:19,240
organization known as the NRO the

664
00:29:24,330 --> 00:29:21,100
National Reconnaissance Office which is

665
00:29:26,460 --> 00:29:24,340
a government organization and in reading

666
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:26,470
a lot of their reports I strongly

667
00:29:31,260 --> 00:29:29,170
believe and they actually claimed what

668
00:29:35,250 --> 00:29:31,270
their function is to help keep top

669
00:29:37,260 --> 00:29:35,260
secret satellite programs secret so when

670
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:37,270
you throw that into the mix I think that

671
00:29:45,930 --> 00:29:38,770
puts everything in perspective what

672
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:45,940
we're talking about okay again the

673
00:29:50,610 --> 00:29:47,410
challenge is every time you come out

674
00:29:54,390 --> 00:29:50,620
with this it's almost like the bots or

675
00:29:56,100 --> 00:29:54,400
you know not rush it well maybe come out

676
00:29:57,780 --> 00:29:56,110
and and they start flooding the market

677
00:30:01,560 --> 00:29:57,790
oh you want more of this and then they

678
00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:01,570
start doing that it's it's interesting

679
00:30:08,130 --> 00:30:03,760
how everything you know everyone gets

680
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:08,140
hijacked Yvonne Smith got hijacked and

681
00:30:11,940 --> 00:30:10,240
Stan Friedman when I did the remake

682
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:11,950
alien abduction incident in Lake County

683
00:30:19,710 --> 00:30:16,930
and after I was removed from the project

684
00:30:21,690 --> 00:30:19,720
they came in and shot real real UFO

685
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:21,700
researchers and intercut them into the

686
00:30:27,090 --> 00:30:25,120
footage which I think was a cause for

687
00:30:29,250 --> 00:30:27,100
maybe a lawsuit at the very least but

688
00:30:30,540 --> 00:30:29,260
her also was I mean when I saw it was

689
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:30,550
his first time everyone else at sea and

690
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:31,930
the foreign version the two-hour version

691
00:30:36,060 --> 00:30:34,240
I made is intact still stays out there

692
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:36,070
but the one hour version is the one that

693
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:38,080
that you guys were co-opted into doing

694
00:30:41,490 --> 00:30:40,000
and I've always felt like crappy about

695
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:41,500
that it was great to see Stanton and

696
00:30:45,690 --> 00:30:43,930
apologize to him he'd I don't think he

697
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:45,700
remembers it but but at least I feel

698
00:30:52,860 --> 00:30:49,810
better yeah yeah exactly

699
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:52,870
but it's funny because it really is this

700
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:54,970
it's it's more than just interest

701
00:30:59,130 --> 00:30:57,730
it feels like it's primal I mean I can

702
00:31:01,800 --> 00:30:59,140
remember as a kid always being

703
00:31:03,210 --> 00:31:01,810
interested in this from you know in

704
00:31:06,660 --> 00:31:03,220
search of to

705
00:31:09,150 --> 00:31:06,670
show UFO project that was like a blue

706
00:31:12,060 --> 00:31:09,160
book project and in it always just felt

707
00:31:14,130 --> 00:31:12,070
like it's it's it's ingrained and feels

708
00:31:15,540 --> 00:31:14,140
like it just needs to be kind of part of

709
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:15,550
like he got sci-fi and then here's

710
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:17,770
something else that isn't sci-fi which

711
00:31:21,900 --> 00:31:19,360
is I'm starting this thing called alien

712
00:31:23,610 --> 00:31:21,910
content calm and it's all alien

713
00:31:25,380 --> 00:31:23,620
programming from features series

714
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:25,390
documentaries and it's meant to be just

715
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:26,770
that it's meant to be something that's

716
00:31:30,510 --> 00:31:29,290
is accepted as sci-fi channel it's

717
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:30,520
something where you go when you say

718
00:31:34,410 --> 00:31:32,410
great let's explore and let's do this

719
00:31:39,420 --> 00:31:34,420
intelligently and most important

720
00:31:43,020 --> 00:31:39,430
responsibly alright so I'm going to

721
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:43,030
suggest that maybe we is there a topic

722
00:31:49,860 --> 00:31:45,130
that anyone can think of that they want

723
00:31:52,830 --> 00:31:49,870
to speak of in general that further

724
00:31:55,050 --> 00:31:52,840
continues this train of thought you know

725
00:31:57,420 --> 00:31:55,060
we're talking about people wanting to

726
00:31:59,640 --> 00:31:57,430
research this topic and have the

727
00:32:03,150 --> 00:31:59,650
historical perspective on it what's

728
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:03,160
different today about say nineteen fifty

729
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:06,130
is the Internet and what's happening in

730
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:09,010
the internet very very rapidly is that

731
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:12,970
media is changing overnight we are now

732
00:32:18,930 --> 00:32:15,490
having streaming television programs

733
00:32:21,150 --> 00:32:18,940
available online and many independent

734
00:32:22,860 --> 00:32:21,160
streaming channels that are specifically

735
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:22,870
targeted towards covering this topic

736
00:32:27,660 --> 00:32:25,330
even the former coordinators of this

737
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:27,670
conference open minds had their own

738
00:32:33,390 --> 00:32:30,370
television station MUFON TV now has

739
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:33,400
their own television station where you

740
00:32:37,470 --> 00:32:35,650
can go and watch lectures and things

741
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:37,480
like that there's many of them coming up

742
00:32:44,190 --> 00:32:41,440
Zohar TV in in the UK has fascinating

743
00:32:47,070 --> 00:32:44,200
programs so what's unique about this

744
00:32:49,860 --> 00:32:47,080
period of time that we live in is that

745
00:32:50,790 --> 00:32:49,870
people who are really curious can put

746
00:32:53,610 --> 00:32:50,800
their fingertips

747
00:32:55,260 --> 00:32:53,620
on the data that they want quicker than

748
00:32:57,270 --> 00:32:55,270
you could stay Jiminy Cricket you

749
00:33:00,000 --> 00:32:57,280
googled a couple of words you find five

750
00:33:01,740 --> 00:33:00,010
or six links and boom before you know it

751
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:01,750
you're right at what you're looking for

752
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:05,050
and it could be data that's 30 40 50

753
00:33:09,030 --> 00:33:07,090
years old it could be interviews of

754
00:33:12,660 --> 00:33:09,040
people who aren't even alive anymore

755
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:12,670
so as we move forward things do change

756
00:33:18,650 --> 00:33:16,530
and the culmination of body of Huw

757
00:33:22,550 --> 00:33:18,660
an experience that you can access and

758
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:22,560
learn from is hugely important

759
00:33:27,290 --> 00:33:25,530
and it has been for me I feel very

760
00:33:29,810 --> 00:33:27,300
grateful to be alive at this day and

761
00:33:31,910 --> 00:33:29,820
time and I hope I can continue to

762
00:33:35,060 --> 00:33:31,920
contribute to that body of knowledge as

763
00:33:35,540 --> 00:33:35,070
a filmmaker and as a researcher so thank

764
00:33:41,930 --> 00:33:35,550
you

765
00:33:43,940 --> 00:33:41,940
just said in the niche is there and it's

766
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:43,950
been you know just whittled down and

767
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:45,210
where everyone knows where to get their

768
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:46,290
UFO information so what I'm trying to

769
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:48,690
say the fact that banner is is that it's

770
00:33:53,930 --> 00:33:51,450
it's a conversation that needs to be out

771
00:33:56,090 --> 00:33:53,940
there every single day I mean this is I

772
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:56,100
think the biggest important question to

773
00:33:59,540 --> 00:33:56,730
mankind

774
00:34:01,700 --> 00:33:59,550
shouldn't we all know what the answer is

775
00:34:02,420 --> 00:34:01,710
should we all be discussing this in some

776
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:02,430
way or another

777
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:05,010
and it's not it is on certain smaller

778
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:07,770
levels but until it's on a mankind level

779
00:34:11,659 --> 00:34:10,169
on a humanity level well things change

780
00:34:12,890 --> 00:34:11,669
until then it just could be something

781
00:34:14,540 --> 00:34:12,900
that's going to be on the black market

782
00:34:16,340 --> 00:34:14,550
if you will and you can find it over

783
00:34:19,149 --> 00:34:16,350
here but as a realist or not you know

784
00:34:23,389 --> 00:34:19,159
that's your own up depth your own

785
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:23,399
scruples all right well I'll pose a

786
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:28,290
question to everyone here has I'm a

787
00:34:33,530 --> 00:34:31,050
professional you know what what I do for

788
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:33,540
work is and I know a number of people

789
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:38,010
here are also how do you deal with the

790
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:40,530
topic when it comes up the ridicule

791
00:34:45,940 --> 00:34:43,050
factor if there is some or perhaps a

792
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:45,950
missed opportunity or something because

793
00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:47,970
I've had it happen to me someone

794
00:34:54,110 --> 00:34:50,730
searched and saw that I did a UFO show

795
00:34:56,540 --> 00:34:54,120
and I lost out on our opportunity so how

796
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:56,550
to deal with that you know I don't know

797
00:35:00,080 --> 00:34:57,930
if anyone wants to tackle that at all

798
00:35:02,210 --> 00:35:00,090
it's just something up Travis you're a

799
00:35:06,140 --> 00:35:02,220
good example to hand the microphone to

800
00:35:07,940 --> 00:35:06,150
well back in the 70s of the debunkers

801
00:35:09,740 --> 00:35:07,950
the skeptics had the upper hand

802
00:35:15,710 --> 00:35:09,750
you know we had this thing called the

803
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:15,720
Drake Equation and people didn't have a

804
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:18,210
handle on what values you could plug

805
00:35:22,690 --> 00:35:20,400
into that equation astronomers at that

806
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:22,700
time I mean there was a debate whether

807
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:25,680
how many how many stars have planets you

808
00:35:29,630 --> 00:35:28,170
know one in a hundred maybe I don't know

809
00:35:32,029 --> 00:35:29,640
they they didn't know

810
00:35:34,009 --> 00:35:32,039
but you know here you know just very

811
00:35:36,319 --> 00:35:34,019
recently last year or two NASA comes out

812
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:36,329
and says on the basis of direct

813
00:35:42,890 --> 00:35:40,410
observation that virtually every star

814
00:35:46,009 --> 00:35:42,900
has about a dozen planets and that

815
00:35:49,460 --> 00:35:46,019
raises the values that you plug into the

816
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:49,470
Drake Equation astronomically no pun

817
00:35:54,829 --> 00:35:50,010
intended

818
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:54,839
but but vastly greater values so the

819
00:36:01,759 --> 00:35:58,640
number of civilizations in the galaxy

820
00:36:06,849 --> 00:36:01,769
potential civilizations grew

821
00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:06,859
exponentially the calculations the

822
00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:10,529
likelihood back in the 70s

823
00:36:17,269 --> 00:36:15,569
the skeptics could say well a kook the

824
00:36:19,370 --> 00:36:17,279
definition of a kook being somebody who

825
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:19,380
believes something that's totally at

826
00:36:24,019 --> 00:36:20,730
odds with the prevailing scientific

827
00:36:26,660 --> 00:36:24,029
belief well

828
00:36:30,650 --> 00:36:26,670
the prevailing scientific belief has

829
00:36:33,740 --> 00:36:30,660
changed now and so the definition of

830
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:33,750
kook is not somebody who believes in

831
00:36:40,279 --> 00:36:38,130
UFOs but somebody who actually has the

832
00:36:44,210 --> 00:36:40,289
audacity to think that we're alone in

833
00:36:49,490 --> 00:36:44,220
the universe fun we haven't heard from

834
00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:49,500
you anything you'd like to say it's

835
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:51,710
interesting Martin that you said that

836
00:36:57,620 --> 00:36:54,450
you had an opportunity come up and

837
00:36:59,930 --> 00:36:57,630
someone googled your name and found that

838
00:37:02,990 --> 00:36:59,940
you had this interest or that's really

839
00:37:05,839 --> 00:37:03,000
what happened yes yeah you know I I

840
00:37:09,410 --> 00:37:05,849
always when I was working still out

841
00:37:10,849 --> 00:37:09,420
there in the corporate world I worried

842
00:37:15,710 --> 00:37:10,859
about that too is you know I've been

843
00:37:17,809 --> 00:37:15,720
doing this now 26 years but after I I

844
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:17,819
left the corporate world I decided this

845
00:37:23,870 --> 00:37:21,410
is what I'm going to do full-time I

846
00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:23,880
thought I found it interesting that the

847
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:27,630
more I talk about what I do the more

848
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:31,680
people will open up and say oh you know

849
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:34,650
gosh I've never said anything to anybody

850
00:37:39,019 --> 00:37:37,200
because they know how to talk to doctors

851
00:37:41,539 --> 00:37:39,029
come up to me in fact I worked at one

852
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:41,549
time for about eight years that the I

853
00:37:46,099 --> 00:37:43,200
don't know if anybody

854
00:37:49,069 --> 00:37:46,109
knows what the Magic Castle is in

855
00:37:51,289 --> 00:37:49,079
Hollywood California all the magicians

856
00:37:53,539 --> 00:37:51,299
all the famous ones started there I was

857
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:53,549
the director of member services you know

858
00:37:58,910 --> 00:37:55,650
it's not a really responsible job but

859
00:38:00,740 --> 00:37:58,920
the members there I wasn't sure how they

860
00:38:04,250 --> 00:38:00,750
were going to react because it's a

861
00:38:07,250 --> 00:38:04,260
private club but the owner Milt Larson

862
00:38:09,859 --> 00:38:07,260
put it out in the the newspaper of the

863
00:38:11,569 --> 00:38:09,869
Magic Castle that oh she saw bonds on

864
00:38:14,690 --> 00:38:11,579
her way to Roswell so she's gonna be a

865
00:38:16,460 --> 00:38:14,700
lecturer and I had members come up to me

866
00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:16,470
some of them who are doctors and say oh

867
00:38:22,910 --> 00:38:19,140
my god I had a sighting in the 60s and I

868
00:38:26,809 --> 00:38:22,920
didn't tell anybody just most recently I

869
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:26,819
have liked hypnotherapy practice and 99%

870
00:38:32,510 --> 00:38:29,520
of it is abductions but I do have on the

871
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:32,520
other side I help people with stress and

872
00:38:39,020 --> 00:38:36,480
anxiety and you know recall and so forth

873
00:38:39,260 --> 00:38:39,030
have a very high profile client right

874
00:38:43,220 --> 00:38:39,270
now

875
00:38:44,569 --> 00:38:43,230
and he happened he didn't have my number

876
00:38:47,539 --> 00:38:44,579
or he couldn't find it he happened to

877
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:47,549
google me and he saw that other Yvonne

878
00:38:51,620 --> 00:38:50,130
Smith and he thought he goes oh my gosh

879
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,630
I didn't know you did this and you're

880
00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:53,280
you wrote your books you know sometime

881
00:38:59,150 --> 00:38:55,049
I'm gonna have to talk to you about this

882
00:39:02,390 --> 00:38:59,160
so what I'm striving for I think we all

883
00:39:06,049 --> 00:39:02,400
are is getting getting past this

884
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:06,059
ridicule factor that's why you know when

885
00:39:10,609 --> 00:39:08,730
Jim came into my support group he had

886
00:39:14,210 --> 00:39:10,619
told me he was he wanted to write a book

887
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:14,220
about it the abductees civil rights and

888
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:16,530
I at the same time had thought about

889
00:39:21,260 --> 00:39:19,170
abductees civil rights and so I had

890
00:39:23,660 --> 00:39:21,270
goose bumps when he told me this and

891
00:39:26,059 --> 00:39:23,670
he's writing it from a lawyer's

892
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:26,069
perspective but I had been talking about

893
00:39:33,530 --> 00:39:28,890
it in my lectures so I you know it's

894
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:33,540
time that people like Jim other people

895
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:36,000
that I have are you know outstanding

896
00:39:41,089 --> 00:39:37,770
citizens I mean medical doctors and

897
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:41,099
lawyers and you know I have scientists

898
00:39:46,099 --> 00:39:43,440
from JPL who have come to me as

899
00:39:48,980 --> 00:39:46,109
abductees these people start coming

900
00:39:50,809 --> 00:39:48,990
forward even more and more the masses

901
00:39:53,089 --> 00:39:50,819
come forward I mean we want to try to

902
00:39:55,069 --> 00:39:53,099
make it easier for them of course that's

903
00:39:56,930 --> 00:39:55,079
why I keep putting my neck out on the

904
00:40:00,079 --> 00:39:56,940
chopping block just like Stan

905
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:00,089
said he he's done and hopefully like

906
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:01,650
we're all staying this is turning the

907
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:04,290
tide with you know with the this news

908
00:40:10,849 --> 00:40:07,440
coming out at about the Pentagon my son

909
00:40:13,309 --> 00:40:10,859
helped Harry Reid get elected my oldest

910
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:13,319
son and so when I sent him that article

911
00:40:17,540 --> 00:40:15,599
I said look at your guy look what your

912
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:17,550
guy did look what he believes I look at

913
00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:20,970
he's you know and my oldest son is like

914
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:24,510
my ex-husband he's very you know more

915
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:26,310
formal and so far that he didn't know

916
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:30,000
what to say so I'm hoping that we are

917
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:33,119
turning the tide here that we are not

918
00:40:40,099 --> 00:40:37,130
going to worry about any more about the

919
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:40,109
stigma of people losing jobs and so

920
00:40:47,180 --> 00:40:44,640
forth thank you so one thing I just

921
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:47,190
thought of everyone is the majority of

922
00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:49,170
people that listen to this listen to it

923
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:50,609
as audio so why don't we say our names

924
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:52,640
each time this is Martin Wallace sure

925
00:41:01,420 --> 00:40:56,250
this is this is Denali oh no I'm fake

926
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:01,430
UFO crater no no no just kidding kind of

927
00:41:04,910 --> 00:41:03,359
one thing that we haven't talked about

928
00:41:07,309 --> 00:41:04,920
and I believe it needs to be addressed

929
00:41:09,859 --> 00:41:07,319
and I hope I don't get a lot of grief

930
00:41:12,380 --> 00:41:09,869
but I got to throw it out there all of

931
00:41:15,740 --> 00:41:12,390
you guys got bloodied going through the

932
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:15,750
door the first time it's kind of like

933
00:41:21,319 --> 00:41:17,970
Normandy you guys all stormed the

934
00:41:23,059 --> 00:41:21,329
beaches especially Staunton and that was

935
00:41:26,180 --> 00:41:23,069
a lot of hard work and there was

936
00:41:29,210 --> 00:41:26,190
collateral damage to it we're in a

937
00:41:31,220 --> 00:41:29,220
different world now I guess I'm kind of

938
00:41:34,099 --> 00:41:31,230
in-between the new generation and you

939
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:34,109
guys and and I see a lot of

940
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:37,280
up-and-coming ufo-ologists UFO experts

941
00:41:42,650 --> 00:41:39,810
researchers I think it's the best term

942
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:42,660
and and I see it there is some animosity

943
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:45,810
between them you know the older and the

944
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:48,480
new and my feeling is people like Tom

945
00:41:53,630 --> 00:41:51,810
DeLonge and Jeremy Korbel and his

946
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:53,640
patient 17 which is a really good

947
00:41:59,180 --> 00:41:56,880
documentary on on alien implant implants

948
00:42:02,750 --> 00:41:59,190
these people are working on continuing

949
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:02,760
the legacy so it seems to be kind of

950
00:42:08,300 --> 00:42:06,089
easier for them because it is and it is

951
00:42:10,769 --> 00:42:08,310
because of everyone here in this room

952
00:42:13,049 --> 00:42:10,779
you guys made it easy for the next gen

953
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:13,059
raishin you guys you know there were

954
00:42:17,039 --> 00:42:14,650
casualties left and right on the beaches

955
00:42:19,890 --> 00:42:17,049
but you guys pave the way for them to

956
00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:19,900
come in and so I think all of us kind of

957
00:42:24,149 --> 00:42:21,849
need to pull together you know making

958
00:42:26,609 --> 00:42:24,159
sure that people's motivations are

959
00:42:28,559 --> 00:42:26,619
they're coming from the right place but

960
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:28,569
barring that I think that we all need to

961
00:42:31,620 --> 00:42:29,890
you know we'll be stronger if the

962
00:42:33,329 --> 00:42:31,630
pyramid is you know the foundation that

963
00:42:34,620 --> 00:42:33,339
you guys have set and they continue it

964
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:34,630
and hopefully we'll see more and more

965
00:42:38,459 --> 00:42:36,729
and then it'll become something that is

966
00:42:41,159 --> 00:42:38,469
just this generational thing that is now

967
00:42:43,620 --> 00:42:41,169
accepted and now we're dealing with okay

968
00:42:45,630 --> 00:42:43,630
so what is this not is this real or not

969
00:42:50,159 --> 00:42:45,640
that's already gone now we're you know

970
00:42:52,620 --> 00:42:50,169
next level here it's kevin Gasman we

971
00:42:54,989 --> 00:42:52,630
talked about I I did radio for about 15

972
00:42:57,419 --> 00:42:54,999
years before I jumped into talking about

973
00:43:00,299 --> 00:42:57,429
aliens I was a rock-and-roll DJ and well

974
00:43:02,159 --> 00:43:00,309
still AM you know but I didn't really

975
00:43:04,620 --> 00:43:02,169
snap to the fact that I was coming out

976
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:04,630
of the alien closet you know to come out

977
00:43:08,489 --> 00:43:06,640
and say that I believe or I you know

978
00:43:10,319 --> 00:43:08,499
like I love talking about this this the

979
00:43:12,749 --> 00:43:10,329
subject it's fascinating so when I meet

980
00:43:15,059 --> 00:43:12,759
people maybe being from the radio a

981
00:43:16,169 --> 00:43:15,069
rocker my radio DJ side is I'm meeting

982
00:43:18,809 --> 00:43:16,179
more people who are more accepting to

983
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:18,819
what I talk about you know nine times

984
00:43:22,259 --> 00:43:20,079
out of ten like everyone said when you

985
00:43:24,149 --> 00:43:22,269
meet someone after you tell them what

986
00:43:25,529 --> 00:43:24,159
you do or what you're into they're gonna

987
00:43:27,209 --> 00:43:25,539
come right back and say well I saw

988
00:43:28,439 --> 00:43:27,219
something this happened to me or someone

989
00:43:29,549 --> 00:43:28,449
that happened to my family or this and

990
00:43:30,449 --> 00:43:29,559
that you're always good to get something

991
00:43:32,279 --> 00:43:30,459
so I think people feel more comfortable

992
00:43:33,809 --> 00:43:32,289
when they hear someone that's in the

993
00:43:36,029 --> 00:43:33,819
field but to say that it's okay for them

994
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:36,039
to come out and say what they feel the

995
00:43:39,179 --> 00:43:37,599
normalization of it all through ancient

996
00:43:40,529 --> 00:43:39,189
aliens on TV and all these different

997
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:40,539
shows that are coming up and

998
00:43:44,429 --> 00:43:42,729
what-have-you is getting I think may

999
00:43:45,329 --> 00:43:44,439
connect you with people in a way that

1000
00:43:47,459 --> 00:43:45,339
they're gonna feel like they're not

1001
00:43:49,799 --> 00:43:47,469
alone and what they have a how they

1002
00:43:53,159 --> 00:43:49,809
think and what the overall scheme of

1003
00:43:55,799 --> 00:43:53,169
things is all about this is Bob Gross

1004
00:43:57,630 --> 00:43:55,809
again I think that's extremely important

1005
00:44:00,929 --> 00:43:57,640
what you were just saying I think as

1006
00:44:03,029 --> 00:44:00,939
more and more qualified researchers come

1007
00:44:06,209 --> 00:44:03,039
into the field and looking of what's out

1008
00:44:08,039 --> 00:44:06,219
there because I've got no doubt in my

1009
00:44:09,809 --> 00:44:08,049
mind that the people I've talked with

1010
00:44:12,299 --> 00:44:09,819
have experienced something there's no

1011
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:12,309
doubt whatsoever and I've got people

1012
00:44:15,899 --> 00:44:13,839
that have come to me because I have a

1013
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:15,909
doctorate and I've seen UFOs and I'm

1014
00:44:19,519 --> 00:44:17,890
admitting that I have I've got people

1015
00:44:22,429 --> 00:44:19,529
that come to me with stories about

1016
00:44:24,330 --> 00:44:22,439
abductions that I can't tell anyone and

1017
00:44:26,670 --> 00:44:24,340
they're very

1018
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:26,680
well known well-to-do people it's not

1019
00:44:32,700 --> 00:44:30,370
just the average guy on the street that

1020
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:32,710
gets abducted you would be surprised I

1021
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:34,960
know I'm just amazed what I know and I

1022
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:36,730
can't even really share that but there's

1023
00:44:42,930 --> 00:44:40,000
more people I think open up and admit to

1024
00:44:44,970 --> 00:44:42,940
either believing in and maybe UFOs isn't

1025
00:44:46,770 --> 00:44:44,980
the right term anymore but there's

1026
00:44:49,110 --> 00:44:46,780
something out there you know when you

1027
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:49,120
take a look in fact some of the research

1028
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:51,280
I did I was running crust I think it was

1029
00:44:55,890 --> 00:44:54,160
2001 that Nassau found a cold spot in

1030
00:44:58,740 --> 00:44:55,900
the universe that could have been an

1031
00:45:01,170 --> 00:44:58,750
opening for the multiverse you know so

1032
00:45:04,770 --> 00:45:01,180
there's other stuff out there that that

1033
00:45:06,060 --> 00:45:04,780
we have no clue about yet but I think

1034
00:45:09,060 --> 00:45:06,070
it's important to gain people's trust

1035
00:45:11,010 --> 00:45:09,070
and I think there's legitimate people

1036
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:11,020
like us that people can trust and I

1037
00:45:17,700 --> 00:45:12,970
think as long as we're out there they'll

1038
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:17,710
come forward before you pass it well we

1039
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:21,040
can go back to Bob if you're up for it I

1040
00:45:27,180 --> 00:45:23,200
would love for you to talk in a nutshell

1041
00:45:37,740 --> 00:45:27,190
about the Kecksburg if you can possibly

1042
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:37,750
do any type of nutshell or just I'd say

1043
00:45:49,110 --> 00:45:39,520
maybe he is speaking net shells I guess

1044
00:45:51,630 --> 00:45:49,120
Kecksburg case was a big a coin I

1045
00:45:52,890 --> 00:45:51,640
studied a semester at second city in

1046
00:45:59,300 --> 00:45:52,900
Chicago

1047
00:46:02,250 --> 00:45:59,310
can you tell and I don't even drink beer

1048
00:46:04,890 --> 00:46:02,260
okay with a Kecksburg case just very

1049
00:46:07,590 --> 00:46:04,900
quickly it happened back in 1965 and

1050
00:46:10,170 --> 00:46:07,600
there an object was seen in the skies of

1051
00:46:14,730 --> 00:46:10,180
Pennsylvania and it was doing things

1052
00:46:16,590 --> 00:46:14,740
that objects shouldn't do it wasn't

1053
00:46:19,530 --> 00:46:16,600
drinking rating like that but it was

1054
00:46:21,540 --> 00:46:19,540
coming in at an irregular angle and it

1055
00:46:24,690 --> 00:46:21,550
was had a trajectory that was very

1056
00:46:26,490 --> 00:46:24,700
strange and then actually I talked with

1057
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:26,500
people that actually saw it flying it

1058
00:46:31,410 --> 00:46:28,960
was like his ball of fire and in it it

1059
00:46:33,090 --> 00:46:31,420
landed in Kecksburg but it would stop it

1060
00:46:36,930 --> 00:46:33,100
would turn and do things like that

1061
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:36,940
well then eventually that way it was

1062
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:38,000
thought to have been either

1063
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:41,450
a UFO or a deep-space probe of some type

1064
00:46:48,130 --> 00:46:43,850
or it could have been like something

1065
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:48,140
from another country and basically for

1066
00:46:53,290 --> 00:46:51,170
50 years the whole thing went unsolved

1067
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:53,300
and there were a lot of clues that

1068
00:46:58,960 --> 00:46:55,970
people weren't looking into and I did

1069
00:47:01,180 --> 00:46:58,970
happen to look into that and I'm I

1070
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:01,190
firmly believe that I have a

1071
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:02,810
preponderance of both direct and

1072
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:04,880
circumstantial evidence that what people

1073
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:08,330
saw was a corona satellites

1074
00:47:12,250 --> 00:47:10,970
film bucket because film buckets are

1075
00:47:14,110 --> 00:47:12,260
gold in there

1076
00:47:15,700 --> 00:47:14,120
acorn shape and they're shiny and so

1077
00:47:18,940 --> 00:47:15,710
forth and it would have had the capacity

1078
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:18,950
to with its recovery vehicle it would

1079
00:47:22,330 --> 00:47:20,330
have had the capacity to make those

1080
00:47:25,540 --> 00:47:22,340
maneuvers so the thing that put it in

1081
00:47:29,650 --> 00:47:25,550
the UFO category was it a its ability to

1082
00:47:31,420 --> 00:47:29,660
have a strange trajectory well now if

1083
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:31,430
you would have known about the corona

1084
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:33,770
program knowing that they they they had

1085
00:47:37,930 --> 00:47:35,930
those capacities you would think oh

1086
00:47:40,420 --> 00:47:37,940
there's another one of the host film

1087
00:47:43,390 --> 00:47:40,430
buckets again because they lost 40 of

1088
00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:43,400
more than 40 up and now and so that's

1089
00:47:48,460 --> 00:47:46,730
kind of it I you know it's it's and it's

1090
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:48,470
a great experience I mean I think and

1091
00:47:54,430 --> 00:47:50,480
there was I believe a nuclear experiment

1092
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:54,440
onboard that film bucket which makes

1093
00:47:59,470 --> 00:47:57,050
even more dangerous than UFO could have

1094
00:48:01,120 --> 00:47:59,480
been so you know what you think you know

1095
00:48:04,060 --> 00:48:01,130
you it still would have been an exciting

1096
00:48:06,220 --> 00:48:04,070
thing to see but but that's kind of I

1097
00:48:08,220 --> 00:48:06,230
hope that was in a nutshell that's

1098
00:48:10,540 --> 00:48:08,230
beautiful thank you all right thanks

1099
00:48:12,460 --> 00:48:10,550
Jason so continuing on the last thought

1100
00:48:14,740 --> 00:48:12,470
right yeah well now I feel bad

1101
00:48:18,220 --> 00:48:14,750
interrupting the Kecksburg conversation

1102
00:48:21,070 --> 00:48:18,230
but just just going back to two Dean's

1103
00:48:24,190 --> 00:48:21,080
comments and responding to those I love

1104
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:24,200
that you mentioned Jeremy and Tom in the

1105
00:48:28,300 --> 00:48:26,330
same sentence they would both be happy

1106
00:48:30,430 --> 00:48:28,310
about that but they're they're both my

1107
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:30,440
friends and I love them dearly I mean I

1108
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:32,240
actually worked for Tom and to the stars

1109
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:35,330
for for about a year or so I have

1110
00:48:39,220 --> 00:48:36,800
nothing but love for those guys and

1111
00:48:41,980 --> 00:48:39,230
Jeremy's doing incredible things but you

1112
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:41,990
know in my experience you know and it's

1113
00:48:47,380 --> 00:48:44,570
probably a decade now that I've been

1114
00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:47,390
heavily involved in this strange and

1115
00:48:53,100 --> 00:48:51,250
wonderful field of UFOs I

1116
00:48:59,310 --> 00:48:53,110
you want to say that I've had nothing

1117
00:49:03,000 --> 00:48:59,320
but support encouragement and love from

1118
00:49:07,410 --> 00:49:03,010
veteran UFO researchers you know I one

1119
00:49:09,300 --> 00:49:07,420
of my early memories of you know having

1120
00:49:11,730 --> 00:49:09,310
interactions with people is you know

1121
00:49:14,970 --> 00:49:11,740
getting margaritas with Travis you know

1122
00:49:18,030 --> 00:49:14,980
I mean it's a very welcoming community

1123
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:18,040
and something that I love every chance I

1124
00:49:23,580 --> 00:49:21,010
get to highlight to people wondering

1125
00:49:25,340 --> 00:49:23,590
about interactions with people within

1126
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:25,350
this field who have differing viewpoints

1127
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:28,570
even you know Facebook paints a picture

1128
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:30,640
that we're all at war with each other if

1129
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:32,800
we don't ascribe to the same beliefs and

1130
00:49:36,690 --> 00:49:34,810
that may be true for some but I

1131
00:49:38,340 --> 00:49:36,700
personally never experienced that you

1132
00:49:40,170 --> 00:49:38,350
know we do have our differences we have

1133
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:40,180
our own individual beliefs about things

1134
00:49:44,190 --> 00:49:41,650
are different ideas and thoughts and

1135
00:49:46,730 --> 00:49:44,200
coming to events like this like the UFO

1136
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:46,740
Congress are a fantastic way to

1137
00:49:51,180 --> 00:49:49,570
understand that we're all you know

1138
00:49:54,570 --> 00:49:51,190
playing the same game we're all

1139
00:49:57,050 --> 00:49:54,580
searching for answers we're all human it

1140
00:50:00,930 --> 00:49:57,060
comes down to it we're all human and

1141
00:50:03,390 --> 00:50:00,940
humans have our own experiences that we

1142
00:50:07,230 --> 00:50:03,400
reference to the different ideas we have

1143
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:07,240
and the veterans I've encountered and

1144
00:50:10,260 --> 00:50:08,530
worked with over the years have been

1145
00:50:13,110 --> 00:50:10,270
nothing but welcoming and supportive and

1146
00:50:16,620 --> 00:50:13,120
everything I've done I'm gonna ask you

1147
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:16,630
to continue on here I have to take care

1148
00:50:19,950 --> 00:50:17,890
of the camera or we're gonna lose him

1149
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:19,960
pretty soon so I'd get a figure a way to

1150
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:25,810
get it charging so okay this is Jennifer

1151
00:50:31,230 --> 00:50:29,050
Stein I will second what Jason just

1152
00:50:34,740 --> 00:50:31,240
shared I went to my first MUFON

1153
00:50:37,770 --> 00:50:34,750
conference in 2000 encouraged by a

1154
00:50:40,860 --> 00:50:37,780
friend Ruben Uriarte who I'd made a crop

1155
00:50:42,750 --> 00:50:40,870
circle trip with and he I said I want to

1156
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:42,760
I want to join I want to learn about

1157
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:44,410
MUFON do we have a chapter in

1158
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:46,690
Pennsylvania I went to a conference and

1159
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:48,490
found out at that point we didn't and

1160
00:50:54,660 --> 00:50:52,090
Ruben bugged me enough to start a MUFON

1161
00:50:56,190 --> 00:50:54,670
group in Philadelphia I and I said well

1162
00:50:59,640 --> 00:50:56,200
I don't want to start one I just want to

1163
00:51:02,580 --> 00:50:59,650
join one but to second you what you said

1164
00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:02,590
Jason I went to the bar and sat down and

1165
00:51:05,309 --> 00:51:03,910
talked to some people I didn't know

1166
00:51:08,569 --> 00:51:05,319
these were XML

1167
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:08,579
pterri people who were very friendly

1168
00:51:13,969 --> 00:51:11,890
they shared with me sometimes their own

1169
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:13,979
stories but sometimes they were sharing

1170
00:51:18,599 --> 00:51:17,170
to me or with me stories that they were

1171
00:51:20,130 --> 00:51:18,609
allowed to tell but weren't their

1172
00:51:21,479 --> 00:51:20,140
stories they were somebody else's

1173
00:51:23,609 --> 00:51:21,489
stories because they were still under

1174
00:51:25,289 --> 00:51:23,619
oath or under some sort of security

1175
00:51:27,299 --> 00:51:25,299
clearance that they couldn't share their

1176
00:51:29,519 --> 00:51:27,309
own experience but they said I'll tell

1177
00:51:33,059 --> 00:51:29,529
you someone else's experience that is as

1178
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:33,069
profound as mine and I was so impressed

1179
00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:37,410
with their humility their integrity the

1180
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:39,910
difficulties that they lived with in

1181
00:51:44,099 --> 00:51:42,130
their lives knowing these things and

1182
00:51:45,930 --> 00:51:44,109
then not feeling that they really

1183
00:51:47,729 --> 00:51:45,940
couldn't publicly speak about them for a

1184
00:51:50,039 --> 00:51:47,739
variety of reasons which I understood

1185
00:51:52,709 --> 00:51:50,049
that that made me really want to join

1186
00:51:54,930 --> 00:51:52,719
MUFON because I thought wow these people

1187
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:54,940
have huge integrity and I have huge

1188
00:52:00,180 --> 00:51:56,410
respect for them and if I could do

1189
00:52:01,799 --> 00:52:00,190
anything to help further this expansion

1190
00:52:04,410 --> 00:52:01,809
of awareness and consciousness

1191
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:04,420
I would like to so I ended up starting a

1192
00:52:10,199 --> 00:52:06,729
little local chapter which stanton has

1193
00:52:13,319 --> 00:52:10,209
come and spoke at travis has it's now 18

1194
00:52:15,150 --> 00:52:13,329
years in the making and it was a big

1195
00:52:17,699 --> 00:52:15,160
decision to step forward

1196
00:52:19,799 --> 00:52:17,709
I remember thinking deeply about whether

1197
00:52:21,870 --> 00:52:19,809
or not I wanted to do that or not

1198
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:21,880
I had a sighting myself that stayed in

1199
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:24,640
my gray box for 25 years because I

1200
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:26,410
thought I was alone at the time when I

1201
00:52:32,219 --> 00:52:29,410
had it and about 25 years after the

1202
00:52:36,509 --> 00:52:32,229
sighting someone who was at my house at

1203
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:36,519
the same time said to me you know Jen we

1204
00:52:40,319 --> 00:52:38,170
had a reunion we hadn't seen each other

1205
00:52:41,999 --> 00:52:40,329
in a long time we'd spent a year on a

1206
00:52:44,099 --> 00:52:42,009
traveling Roadshow together called up

1207
00:52:46,469 --> 00:52:44,109
with people and he come to stay at my

1208
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:46,479
house about a year after that because he

1209
00:52:50,759 --> 00:52:48,400
was out of money coming back from Europe

1210
00:52:53,099 --> 00:52:50,769
and he was staying with my family and my

1211
00:52:55,349 --> 00:52:53,109
parents and myself I was 19 at the time

1212
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:55,359
so is he and he was asleep on a

1213
00:53:01,439 --> 00:52:57,729
different floor of the house and he and

1214
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:01,449
I saw a very large object at about 4:30

1215
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:03,130
in the morning

1216
00:53:06,779 --> 00:53:05,440
well now I'm sorry it was 5:30 in the

1217
00:53:09,229 --> 00:53:06,789
morning but it wasn't quite light out

1218
00:53:11,930 --> 00:53:09,239
yet and it was quite a profound

1219
00:53:16,650 --> 00:53:11,940
experience I would say it was a craft

1220
00:53:17,819 --> 00:53:16,660
about 90 feet long at about 6 to 7 feet

1221
00:53:20,969 --> 00:53:17,829
high and it appear

1222
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:20,979
as a white rectangle of light that

1223
00:53:27,089 --> 00:53:23,410
undulated but didn't light anything up

1224
00:53:29,130 --> 00:53:27,099
and got our attentions for sure I knew

1225
00:53:31,380 --> 00:53:29,140
it was a bizarre experience but I didn't

1226
00:53:35,069 --> 00:53:31,390
know he had it we never discussed it at

1227
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:35,079
the time so for some reason I was

1228
00:53:40,979 --> 00:53:36,729
journaling at that point and I wrote it

1229
00:53:43,079 --> 00:53:40,989
down as a dream but yet after this

1230
00:53:44,759 --> 00:53:43,089
experience I was so freaked out I ran

1231
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:44,769
into my mother's room and discussed it

1232
00:53:52,709 --> 00:53:47,729
with her she asked me if I was on drugs

1233
00:53:54,509 --> 00:53:52,719
right I went back and laid down thinking

1234
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:54,519
oh I got it I have to write this down I

1235
00:53:59,130 --> 00:53:56,319
have to write this down I can't go back

1236
00:54:00,809 --> 00:53:59,140
to sleep but I was so freaked out when I

1237
00:54:03,089 --> 00:54:00,819
realized I'd lost about an hour and a

1238
00:54:05,519 --> 00:54:03,099
half of time that I couldn't wrap my

1239
00:54:07,799 --> 00:54:05,529
brain around what had just happened but

1240
00:54:10,890 --> 00:54:07,809
sure enough I woke up at about 10:30 11

1241
00:54:12,359 --> 00:54:10,900
o'clock as most teenagers can do and I

1242
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:12,369
wrote the whole thing down immediately

1243
00:54:17,849 --> 00:54:15,130
because it was fresh in my mind so I had

1244
00:54:20,699 --> 00:54:17,859
it journaled and 25 years and I always

1245
00:54:23,459 --> 00:54:20,709
went back to it and I said well you know

1246
00:54:25,380 --> 00:54:23,469
I talked to my mom my mom said yes I

1247
00:54:28,410 --> 00:54:25,390
came into a room and woke her up and

1248
00:54:29,999 --> 00:54:28,420
asked her if she saw this craft and she

1249
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:30,009
asked me if I was on drugs so I knew

1250
00:54:34,979 --> 00:54:32,559
that part was real but I didn't know the

1251
00:54:37,019 --> 00:54:34,989
actual experience was real but if I

1252
00:54:38,999 --> 00:54:37,029
hadn't journaled it paid attention to it

1253
00:54:41,279 --> 00:54:39,009
written it down and pondered it for 25

1254
00:54:44,819 --> 00:54:41,289
years when my friend asked me what

1255
00:54:47,370 --> 00:54:44,829
happened when we had that experience you

1256
00:54:50,459 --> 00:54:47,380
know I dropped my wineglass I started to

1257
00:54:52,499 --> 00:54:50,469
cry I backed up I said what are you

1258
00:54:54,989 --> 00:54:52,509
talking about nice and in fact don't

1259
00:54:56,819 --> 00:54:54,999
even play with my memory you go write

1260
00:54:58,829 --> 00:54:56,829
your story down in the front yard and

1261
00:55:00,930 --> 00:54:58,839
you take your glass of wine and your

1262
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:00,940
cigarettes right and I'll go write down

1263
00:55:04,859 --> 00:55:03,130
my story in the backyard and then we're

1264
00:55:06,329 --> 00:55:04,869
gonna read each other stories because I

1265
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:06,339
don't want you messing with my memory

1266
00:55:13,170 --> 00:55:09,130
and when I realized that he had the same

1267
00:55:15,900 --> 00:55:13,180
experience I did that gave me the

1268
00:55:18,599 --> 00:55:15,910
confidence that I needed to say okay I

1269
00:55:21,689 --> 00:55:18,609
can step forward in this field I don't

1270
00:55:23,309 --> 00:55:21,699
know a thing about it except that my

1271
00:55:25,529 --> 00:55:23,319
consciousness has been changed by the

1272
00:55:28,499 --> 00:55:25,539
experience of it and I'm now going to

1273
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:28,509
give myself permission to start to learn

1274
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:30,640
and that's after I won that I went to my

1275
00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:31,690
first move a calm

1276
00:55:36,030 --> 00:55:33,730
Frandsen started going forward from

1277
00:55:38,910 --> 00:55:36,040
there so my point is you have to know

1278
00:55:40,890 --> 00:55:38,920
the firm ground under you we can all be

1279
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:40,900
teachers in this field even people in

1280
00:55:44,790 --> 00:55:42,730
the listening audience who have had

1281
00:55:48,059 --> 00:55:44,800
experiences and they don't know what to

1282
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:48,069
do with them not to be frightened by

1283
00:55:52,410 --> 00:55:50,319
them too you know like some people when

1284
00:55:55,829 --> 00:55:52,420
they finally get cancer right it's

1285
00:55:57,660 --> 00:55:55,839
usually a door opener for many changes

1286
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:57,670
in their life and they can be profound

1287
00:56:02,670 --> 00:56:00,400
and beneficial changes it's all like

1288
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:02,680
what dr. Michael Carter just said in his

1289
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:05,200
speech today you know do you look at the

1290
00:56:09,540 --> 00:56:07,210
world as a positive experience or as a

1291
00:56:11,790 --> 00:56:09,550
negative experience you can look at the

1292
00:56:13,950 --> 00:56:11,800
same glass of water as half-full or

1293
00:56:15,540 --> 00:56:13,960
half-empty and I think we are the ones

1294
00:56:18,450 --> 00:56:15,550
that need to choose how we're going to

1295
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:18,460
digest this phenomenon how we're going

1296
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:20,650
to go forward with it how we are going

1297
00:56:27,059 --> 00:56:23,770
to be representatives of our experiences

1298
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:27,069
and the agenda the phenomenon and how

1299
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:28,720
we're going to bring the next generation

1300
00:56:36,059 --> 00:56:32,530
in to it Stanton Friedman has just

1301
00:56:41,460 --> 00:56:36,069
turned into Kathleen Mardin this is Dean

1302
00:56:44,069 --> 00:56:41,470
here so who is the niece of Betty of

1303
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:44,079
Betty and Barney Hill Fame so I have a

1304
00:56:46,620 --> 00:56:45,609
question for you since your just show up

1305
00:56:48,930 --> 00:56:46,630
we're going to throw you right into it

1306
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:48,940
how do I get the rights for the book

1307
00:56:53,700 --> 00:56:51,130
captured away from Bryce Isabel because

1308
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:53,710
I need to make that movie that the it's

1309
00:56:59,609 --> 00:56:57,490
an amazing story yeah it's it's the

1310
00:57:01,440 --> 00:56:59,619
thing that's interesting is is the the

1311
00:57:03,780 --> 00:57:01,450
race to issues and everything which is

1312
00:57:05,220 --> 00:57:03,790
even more hot but how does that

1313
00:57:06,359 --> 00:57:05,230
reflecting on that I mean they had to

1314
00:57:07,950 --> 00:57:06,369
deal with it back then it feels like

1315
00:57:09,390 --> 00:57:07,960
we've gone two steps back so I just want

1316
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:09,400
you're kind of take on looking back

1317
00:57:22,109 --> 00:57:17,490
looking back to when this first happened

1318
00:57:25,290 --> 00:57:22,119
I was 13 years old and Betty called my

1319
00:57:29,010 --> 00:57:25,300
mother and said you know last night on

1320
00:57:33,079 --> 00:57:29,020
the way home from our vacation we saw a

1321
00:57:36,569 --> 00:57:33,089
flying saucer and it came so low that

1322
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:36,579
we're afraid that we might have gotten

1323
00:57:39,660 --> 00:57:39,250
radiation poisoning or something from

1324
00:57:43,099 --> 00:57:39,670
this

1325
00:57:45,450 --> 00:57:43,109
they took long showers I remember them

1326
00:57:47,970 --> 00:57:45,460
we were a close family they

1327
00:57:51,089 --> 00:57:47,980
about 20 miles away from my childhood

1328
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:51,099
home but we were at that house within a

1329
00:57:59,070 --> 00:57:52,960
couple of days from the time that

1330
00:58:02,940 --> 00:57:59,080
happened and I remember Barney being so

1331
00:58:05,460 --> 00:58:02,950
sort of reflective and quiet usually he

1332
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:05,470
was a really gregarious kind of guy the

1333
00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:09,130
kind of guy that every kid wants to see

1334
00:58:13,530 --> 00:58:10,960
first because he's going to make you

1335
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:13,540
laugh and smile and and took a lot of

1336
00:58:20,910 --> 00:58:18,400
interest in us he was a little different

1337
00:58:24,359 --> 00:58:20,920
that day and he and my father sat

1338
00:58:26,250 --> 00:58:24,369
quietly in the living room Barney was

1339
00:58:31,050 --> 00:58:26,260
waiting for another phone call from

1340
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:31,060
Pease Air Force Base and he told my

1341
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:35,290
father about the beings that he saw on

1342
00:58:41,579 --> 00:58:39,730
the craft he always had memory of being

1343
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:41,589
very frightened that they were going to

1344
00:58:49,410 --> 00:58:46,690
capture him of they were about the size

1345
00:58:52,109 --> 00:58:49,420
of a pencil I guess at arm's length the

1346
00:58:54,930 --> 00:58:52,119
way they looked to him as he stood

1347
00:58:58,079 --> 00:58:54,940
looking up at them and they were dressed

1348
00:59:03,030 --> 00:58:58,089
in black shiny uniforms and and he said

1349
00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:03,040
that they were somehow not human so

1350
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:05,200
there was a lot of concern and I think

1351
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:08,170
that the fear that Barney had was the

1352
00:59:14,609 --> 00:59:10,810
result of that conscious continuous

1353
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:14,619
memory of actually seeing them on that

1354
00:59:18,660 --> 00:59:16,480
craft and feeling frightened Betty

1355
00:59:22,290 --> 00:59:18,670
didn't feel that because she didn't see

1356
00:59:25,710 --> 00:59:22,300
them she was in the car and she didn't

1357
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:25,720
become frightened until she and Barney

1358
00:59:33,810 --> 00:59:30,240
ended up on a back road somewhere and

1359
00:59:36,570 --> 00:59:33,820
and and they had the missing time but

1360
00:59:40,530 --> 00:59:36,580
she didn't have conscious recall of that

1361
00:59:43,020 --> 00:59:40,540
and so you know I can see why he would

1362
00:59:46,700 --> 00:59:43,030
have been so frightened why he had so

1363
00:59:50,010 --> 00:59:46,710
many physiological problems and

1364
00:59:53,579 --> 00:59:50,020
psychological problems related to the

1365
00:59:55,980 --> 00:59:53,589
emotional response he had and why she

1366
00:59:58,020 --> 00:59:55,990
didn't because they had a different kind

1367
01:00:00,420 --> 00:59:58,030
of experience his he

1368
01:00:02,550 --> 01:00:00,430
felt threatened immediately and I think

1369
01:00:05,820 --> 01:00:02,560
that if Betty had the same kind of

1370
01:00:09,660 --> 01:00:05,830
experience she would have but she was

1371
01:00:13,170 --> 01:00:09,670
different she we talked with Betty that

1372
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:13,180
day we went out and saw the shiny spots

1373
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:15,610
on the trunk of the car where the craft

1374
01:00:22,380 --> 01:00:18,970
had made the buzzing sounds and that

1375
01:00:24,750 --> 01:00:22,390
those spots actually according to dr.

1376
01:00:27,330 --> 01:00:24,760
Bruce Maccabee he said there must have

1377
01:00:30,450 --> 01:00:27,340
been counter rotating magnetic fields

1378
01:00:34,170 --> 01:00:30,460
around those spots and we've seen that

1379
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:34,180
in other MUFON cases as well so looking

1380
01:00:42,890 --> 01:00:39,970
back on all of that I think of how the

1381
01:00:46,620 --> 01:00:42,900
confusion the desire to learn more

1382
01:00:49,530 --> 01:00:46,630
particularly on Betty's part the desire

1383
01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:49,540
by Barney just to try to put it out of

1384
01:00:58,830 --> 01:00:53,680
his mind because it was so disturbing to

1385
01:01:04,100 --> 01:00:58,840
him and the what led them to go to dr.

1386
01:01:07,350 --> 01:01:04,110
Benjamin Simon and how happy they were

1387
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:07,360
after that that they were very

1388
01:01:14,190 --> 01:01:09,970
interested in and involved in the civil

1389
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:14,200
rights movement but after he saw dr.

1390
01:01:20,070 --> 01:01:17,920
Simon he was appointed by the governor

1391
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:20,080
of the state of New Hampshire to the

1392
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:22,090
u.s. Civil Rights Commission state

1393
01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:25,450
Advisory Committee he was able to to

1394
01:01:31,350 --> 01:01:28,720
step forward and be very active in the

1395
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:31,360
civil rights movement and in the poverty

1396
01:01:37,170 --> 01:01:33,280
program too in the state of New

1397
01:01:41,100 --> 01:01:37,180
Hampshire Sargent Shriver gave him an

1398
01:01:44,300 --> 01:01:41,110
award for the work that he did through

1399
01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:44,310
the Office of Economic Opportunity and

1400
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:48,640
they were just shining and we the three

1401
01:01:52,770 --> 01:01:50,410
of us went were invited to Lyndon

1402
01:01:55,470 --> 01:01:52,780
Johnson's inauguration because they were

1403
01:01:59,940 --> 01:01:55,480
good mentors for me as I was growing up

1404
01:02:03,240 --> 01:01:59,950
I was a teenager and to think back to

1405
01:02:08,010 --> 01:02:03,250
those days was just wonderful it was a

1406
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:08,020
great experience until their story was

1407
01:02:15,059 --> 01:02:11,680
published against their will for five

1408
01:02:18,180 --> 01:02:15,069
nights in a Boston newspaper and their

1409
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:18,190
lives were shattered I could I mean I

1410
01:02:24,829 --> 01:02:20,290
feel like I'm gonna cry now when I think

1411
01:02:28,530 --> 01:02:24,839
back at it that they they came they fled

1412
01:02:31,010 --> 01:02:28,540
they came to my grandparents house I I

1413
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:31,020
was brought across the street from them

1414
01:02:40,220 --> 01:02:35,730
and how we sat down as a family and

1415
01:02:46,829 --> 01:02:40,230
talked what are we going to do next and

1416
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:46,839
this decision we made was that they

1417
01:02:53,970 --> 01:02:50,650
should go forward and they should tell

1418
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:53,980
the public what happened and and the

1419
01:02:59,730 --> 01:02:56,170
reason for that was that the cat was

1420
01:03:02,099 --> 01:02:59,740
already out of the bag and that it had

1421
01:03:05,010 --> 01:03:02,109
already been published and it wasn't

1422
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:05,020
completely accurate and so they decided

1423
01:03:11,970 --> 01:03:07,690
that they would step forward but I think

1424
01:03:15,839 --> 01:03:11,980
that it had a really strong impact on

1425
01:03:18,630 --> 01:03:15,849
Barney and and I saw his health decline

1426
01:03:23,910 --> 01:03:18,640
again particularly when people didn't

1427
01:03:27,329 --> 01:03:23,920
believe it and he one thing that was so

1428
01:03:31,289 --> 01:03:27,339
difficult for him was to be a strong

1429
01:03:35,579 --> 01:03:31,299
proud man telling the truth and having

1430
01:03:39,299 --> 01:03:35,589
people attack him and and belittled him

1431
01:03:41,579 --> 01:03:39,309
and that became so difficult for him and

1432
01:03:43,530 --> 01:03:41,589
I think that might be part of the reason

1433
01:03:47,940 --> 01:03:43,540
that he died at age 46

1434
01:03:48,470 --> 01:03:47,950
from a massive cerebral hemorrhage thank

1435
01:03:51,599 --> 01:03:48,480
you

1436
01:03:54,930 --> 01:03:51,609
Thank You Kathy Travis I'd like to ask

1437
01:03:55,819 --> 01:03:54,940
you I know I had a conversation with you

1438
01:03:59,660 --> 01:03:55,829
at one time

1439
01:04:04,260 --> 01:03:59,670
what did Betty mean to you

1440
01:04:06,329 --> 01:04:04,270
she really figured prominently in my

1441
01:04:09,809 --> 01:04:06,339
adjustment to what had happened because

1442
01:04:12,270 --> 01:04:09,819
dr. harder had worked with her and he

1443
01:04:15,630 --> 01:04:12,280
was doing the regressive hypnosis on me

1444
01:04:18,180 --> 01:04:15,640
and he put me on the phone with her and

1445
01:04:21,359 --> 01:04:18,190
and she had some words of advice that

1446
01:04:22,310 --> 01:04:21,369
were really helpful to me in in the

1447
01:04:25,460 --> 01:04:22,320
whole

1448
01:04:28,250 --> 01:04:25,470
process of adjusting to the experience

1449
01:04:31,570 --> 01:04:28,260
and to people's reaction to hearing

1450
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:31,580
about it yeah yeah and speaking of that

1451
01:04:35,900 --> 01:04:33,810
you know when I mentioned earlier I was

1452
01:04:37,850 --> 01:04:35,910
talking about the ridicule factor and

1453
01:04:42,350 --> 01:04:37,860
stuff like that how has that been in

1454
01:04:43,850 --> 01:04:42,360
your life well that you know was just so

1455
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:43,860
thick you could cut it with a knife at

1456
01:04:50,180 --> 01:04:48,000
the time it was it was all there was you

1457
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:50,190
know go out in public and you'd see

1458
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:52,050
people you know looking sidelong

1459
01:04:58,990 --> 01:04:54,090
pointing whispering that kind of thing

1460
01:05:01,790 --> 01:04:59,000
and nowadays it's completely you know

1461
01:05:05,150 --> 01:05:01,800
done a 180 from that you know every time

1462
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:05,160
I go out I I get positive responses from

1463
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:08,010
local people yeah now I know Jennifer

1464
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:12,210
worked with with you in a movie but fire

1465
01:05:16,100 --> 01:05:14,400
in the sky you know that's something it

1466
01:05:19,940 --> 01:05:16,110
seems like everybody knows that that

1467
01:05:21,790 --> 01:05:19,950
movie I know that there weren't there

1468
01:05:25,820 --> 01:05:21,800
was a lot of things that were inaccurate

1469
01:05:27,290 --> 01:05:25,830
how much has that if you had to do it

1470
01:05:29,660 --> 01:05:27,300
all over again what if you have put your

1471
01:05:33,730 --> 01:05:29,670
foot down or I think I would have been

1472
01:05:36,140 --> 01:05:33,740
more insistent on on accuracy they

1473
01:05:37,970 --> 01:05:36,150
disguised that sort of stuff the the

1474
01:05:41,890 --> 01:05:37,980
copy of the script that I got didn't

1475
01:05:44,660 --> 01:05:41,900
contain those those alterations and I

1476
01:05:46,670 --> 01:05:44,670
think that it was a major Mis appoint a

1477
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:46,680
disappointment for a lot of people but

1478
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:48,810
it was a landmark you know for

1479
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:51,090
first-time Hollywood ever you know took

1480
01:05:56,750 --> 01:05:54,090
a real-life case and dramatized it in a

1481
01:05:58,970 --> 01:05:56,760
way where people could sort of identify

1482
01:05:59,720 --> 01:05:58,980
with the people who'd experienced it

1483
01:06:03,380 --> 01:05:59,730
yeah

1484
01:06:06,110 --> 01:06:03,390
and back to Jennifer what was your when

1485
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:06,120
you decided to do that did you want to

1486
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:08,640
like set the record straight on some

1487
01:06:12,910 --> 01:06:09,930
things when you worked with Travis on

1488
01:06:16,970 --> 01:06:12,920
that documentary well I have to confess

1489
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:16,980
making that film was a bit of a process

1490
01:06:22,310 --> 01:06:21,090
of self-discovery I didn't start out

1491
01:06:26,330 --> 01:06:22,320
making a film

1492
01:06:28,970 --> 01:06:26,340
I met Travis at the Roswell conference

1493
01:06:31,550 --> 01:06:28,980
in 2010 my dear friend Peter Robbins

1494
01:06:33,410 --> 01:06:31,560
introduced us we had dinner together had

1495
01:06:36,170 --> 01:06:33,420
a bottle of wine and a couple of beers

1496
01:06:38,450 --> 01:06:36,180
and I had done some conference or

1497
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:38,460
organization I till that point in my

1498
01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:40,410
life I'd been in MUFON about ten years

1499
01:06:46,190 --> 01:06:43,680
and Peter and I looked at each other and

1500
01:06:48,049 --> 01:06:46,200
said Travis your story is just as

1501
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:48,059
important as the Roswell story and

1502
01:06:53,540 --> 01:06:50,730
Roswell has over 10,000 people that show

1503
01:06:55,579 --> 01:06:53,550
up on an annual basis to this small

1504
01:06:58,010 --> 01:06:55,589
little town it's a huge economic boom

1505
01:07:00,440 --> 01:06:58,020
for that for the town you live in a

1506
01:07:03,470 --> 01:07:00,450
small town snowflake Arizona in northern

1507
01:07:05,420 --> 01:07:03,480
Arizona why don't you work at putting a

1508
01:07:08,390 --> 01:07:05,430
conference together around your story

1509
01:07:10,940 --> 01:07:08,400
people should know your story and so we

1510
01:07:12,770 --> 01:07:10,950
started coaching and you know Travis was

1511
01:07:14,690 --> 01:07:12,780
all for it he was like sure you know if

1512
01:07:17,569 --> 01:07:14,700
I could get some people to help and and

1513
01:07:19,819 --> 01:07:17,579
basically Peter and I said okay we'll

1514
01:07:21,740 --> 01:07:19,829
help and I said to Travis what do you

1515
01:07:23,690 --> 01:07:21,750
want to do what's the main thing that

1516
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:23,700
you see how do you envision your

1517
01:07:28,460 --> 01:07:25,890
conference so how how can we best help

1518
01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:28,470
you meet your goals in your dream and he

1519
01:07:35,420 --> 01:07:30,089
said well I want to take everybody up

1520
01:07:37,700 --> 01:07:35,430
into the forest at you know at night to

1521
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:37,710
the place where I was abducted and I'm

1522
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:40,010
starting to think okay this is November

1523
01:07:46,460 --> 01:07:43,490
its northern Arizona I'm not belittling

1524
01:07:48,530 --> 01:07:46,470
Travis's desire in any way but as the

1525
01:07:51,049 --> 01:07:48,540
conference organized organizer and

1526
01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:51,059
someone who has insurance you know for

1527
01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:53,280
events I'm thinking oh this could be

1528
01:07:58,280 --> 01:07:56,160
strategically a difficult nightmare and

1529
01:08:00,410 --> 01:07:58,290
what if it snows and we can't get people

1530
01:08:02,270 --> 01:08:00,420
there what if somebody goes off trying

1531
01:08:04,309 --> 01:08:02,280
to find a bathroom and it's dark and

1532
01:08:07,970 --> 01:08:04,319
they they get lost and they get attacked

1533
01:08:11,329 --> 01:08:07,980
by a wild boar or coyote you know so I

1534
01:08:13,940 --> 01:08:11,339
said hey how about we have a plan B just

1535
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:13,950
in case we can't get there so Travis

1536
01:08:17,689 --> 01:08:16,290
thought that was a good idea and we

1537
01:08:19,579 --> 01:08:17,699
didn't know how we would use it but I

1538
01:08:21,019 --> 01:08:19,589
flew out there with another film

1539
01:08:23,419 --> 01:08:21,029
producer from the philadelphia area

1540
01:08:26,090 --> 01:08:23,429
named Bob Theriot who ended up being a

1541
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:26,100
co-producer on this project and we first

1542
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:28,290
produced something called tracking sky

1543
01:08:33,260 --> 01:08:31,199
fire and what that was was the different

1544
01:08:34,820 --> 01:08:33,270
boys from the crew who were living who

1545
01:08:37,490 --> 01:08:34,830
agreed to come down on their summer

1546
01:08:40,130 --> 01:08:37,500
vacations in August meet Travis meet us

1547
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:40,140
and we would do walkthroughs and you

1548
01:08:45,559 --> 01:08:42,330
know encountered their experiences their

1549
01:08:48,499 --> 01:08:45,569
memories with Travis in the forest so we

1550
01:08:49,740 --> 01:08:48,509
shot that in 2013 and edited this piece

1551
01:08:51,870 --> 01:08:49,750
together that we could use

1552
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:51,880
as a plan-b in the event we couldn't

1553
01:08:57,480 --> 01:08:54,970
actually take people to the forest

1554
01:09:02,150 --> 01:08:57,490
because of logistics or weather issues

1555
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:02,160
and after we got that done in 2013 I

1556
01:09:07,019 --> 01:09:04,810
thought gee I'm running the national

1557
01:09:09,480 --> 01:09:07,029
MUFON conference and the Cherry Hill

1558
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:09,490
area in 2014 and I have wonderful

1559
01:09:17,010 --> 01:09:12,330
speakers coming in like Kathy Martin and

1560
01:09:19,620 --> 01:09:17,020
likely Spiegel and Ben Hansen and Jan

1561
01:09:22,530 --> 01:09:19,630
Harrison and you know I had many many

1562
01:09:24,420 --> 01:09:22,540
people there and I just decided to sit

1563
01:09:27,749 --> 01:09:24,430
them down and interview them about

1564
01:09:30,030 --> 01:09:27,759
Travis's case then I had real talking

1565
01:09:32,099 --> 01:09:30,040
head experts and then I started hunting

1566
01:09:34,740 --> 01:09:32,109
for archived footage and it's then that

1567
01:09:36,809 --> 01:09:34,750
I saw the light to the end of the tunnel

1568
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:36,819
and I figured out how to put this

1569
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:38,290
together because I'm a self-taught

1570
01:09:43,410 --> 01:09:40,810
filmmaker and I hadn't really ever

1571
01:09:46,620 --> 01:09:43,420
tackled a project of this magnitude and

1572
01:09:49,019 --> 01:09:46,630
that's then I really pushed to get the

1573
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:49,029
film into the open minds film festival

1574
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:53,170
in February of 2015 which would be

1575
01:09:58,920 --> 01:09:56,080
almost one full year nine months before

1576
01:10:02,100 --> 01:09:58,930
the 40th anniversary conference we were

1577
01:10:03,690 --> 01:10:02,110
planning and I I was kind of like the

1578
01:10:06,300 --> 01:10:03,700
filmmaker and the coach for the

1579
01:10:08,340 --> 01:10:06,310
conference and then ended up being a key

1580
01:10:11,460 --> 01:10:08,350
person in helping to run the logistics

1581
01:10:13,260 --> 01:10:11,470
of the event as well before Karen Bard

1582
01:10:15,810 --> 01:10:13,270
stepped up and took it over for the

1583
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:15,820
following year yeah so uh and Karen is

1584
01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:19,690
up now has this conference and she's

1585
01:10:23,490 --> 01:10:21,760
doing a fantastic job and you know I got

1586
01:10:27,390 --> 01:10:23,500
a shot I got to say I showed up the

1587
01:10:29,340 --> 01:10:27,400
other day to help here I had no idea how

1588
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:29,350
much work these things are you can't

1589
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:30,970
believe the amount equipment and the

1590
01:10:34,140 --> 01:10:32,650
taping down and the wiring and

1591
01:10:37,140 --> 01:10:34,150
everything it's a lot I can't imagine

1592
01:10:39,210 --> 01:10:37,150
how rockstars you know travel and it's

1593
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:39,220
something else you had an interesting

1594
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:40,650
thing you wanted to talk about

1595
01:10:46,190 --> 01:10:43,520
[Music]

1596
01:10:48,440 --> 01:10:46,200
someone's phone is going off in her

1597
01:10:50,380 --> 01:10:48,450
honor sir let it go that was brought to

1598
01:10:52,460 --> 01:10:50,390
you by Disney

1599
01:10:55,930 --> 01:10:52,470
you have commercials on this I didn't

1600
01:11:03,490 --> 01:11:00,860
okay so I've never seen a UFO and I'm

1601
01:11:06,980 --> 01:11:03,500
getting the idea that everyone here has

1602
01:11:10,010 --> 01:11:06,990
so when I got invited by Alejandro and

1603
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:10,020
Karen to come here I thought that will

1604
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:11,250
be interesting because I'm still that

1605
01:11:16,430 --> 01:11:13,530
skeptic and that person that hasn't so

1606
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:16,440
my girlfriend Allie and I we live in

1607
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:18,090
Silver Lake and walking around the

1608
01:11:21,530 --> 01:11:20,250
reservoir and I'm talking about you I'm

1609
01:11:22,970 --> 01:11:21,540
gonna go to this festival it's gonna be

1610
01:11:24,650 --> 01:11:22,980
this and it's I don't know and I'm

1611
01:11:27,710 --> 01:11:24,660
terrified and scared and I've never been

1612
01:11:30,050 --> 01:11:27,720
before and and I hope I don't get you

1613
01:11:33,380 --> 01:11:30,060
know um you know hung up on me

1614
01:11:35,780 --> 01:11:33,390
yeah abducted and so we're talking about

1615
01:11:37,130 --> 01:11:35,790
it and and then when we talks about

1616
01:11:43,220 --> 01:11:37,140
something else and come around a corner

1617
01:11:44,270 --> 01:11:43,230
and look up and I saw something I don't

1618
01:11:45,650 --> 01:11:44,280
know what the hell it is and I'm

1619
01:11:46,850 --> 01:11:45,660
thinking oh it's a drone something

1620
01:11:47,990 --> 01:11:46,860
because there's so many drones people

1621
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:48,000
have filmmakers are out there shooting

1622
01:11:51,770 --> 01:11:49,530
all over and I just I want to get a BB

1623
01:11:54,410 --> 01:11:51,780
gun and shoot them down and so I see

1624
01:11:57,710 --> 01:11:54,420
this thing and it's shiny and it's like

1625
01:11:59,690 --> 01:11:57,720
a little ball and it keeps going down up

1626
01:12:03,190 --> 01:11:59,700
and down then it disappears and pops up

1627
01:12:08,060 --> 01:12:03,200
at another section and because of

1628
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:08,070
because of what's his name Steve Jobs I

1629
01:12:14,270 --> 01:12:11,040
have my iPhone and I pull up my iPhone

1630
01:12:16,010 --> 01:12:14,280
and I film this and I'm dying to get

1631
01:12:19,370 --> 01:12:16,020
someone's apena I'm gonna debut this

1632
01:12:21,470 --> 01:12:19,380
tomorrow night at the screen of UFO

1633
01:12:30,430 --> 01:12:21,480
abduction can you first but I'm going to

1634
01:12:34,790 --> 01:12:32,330
yeah Jason's right you're not going to

1635
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:34,800
see that we'll have to do something like

1636
01:12:41,450 --> 01:12:38,730
post something later yeah right so the

1637
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:41,460
listener we will put that in the show

1638
01:12:46,100 --> 01:12:44,010
notes eventually yeah they may say oh

1639
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:46,110
it's it's not anything so you may not

1640
01:12:51,710 --> 01:12:49,290
even want to have this on there so all

1641
01:12:55,130 --> 01:12:51,720
right hit this was in Silver Lake

1642
01:12:56,450 --> 01:12:55,140
California and and literally it was like

1643
01:12:58,130 --> 01:12:56,460
two days after

1644
01:12:59,690 --> 01:12:58,140
mohandro said yeah come on down to the

1645
01:13:06,470 --> 01:12:59,700
convention so I blame him

1646
01:13:12,020 --> 01:13:06,480
all right here we go okay so helicopter

1647
01:13:15,860 --> 01:13:12,030
goes by interesting okay so okay while

1648
01:13:18,500 --> 01:13:15,870
he's doing that yeah it's just it's not

1649
01:13:20,270 --> 01:13:18,510
really sad okay I know okay so a little

1650
01:13:22,150 --> 01:13:20,280
shiny thing just came down I'm gonna

1651
01:13:24,140 --> 01:13:22,160
describe it there it goes down again

1652
01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:24,150
yeah pretend you're at a baseball game

1653
01:13:32,900 --> 01:13:26,400
you're announce yeah yeah okay and then

1654
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:32,910
hold on it'll come up again yes okay I

1655
01:13:41,450 --> 01:13:38,570
heard a whoa so that yeah yeah okay I

1656
01:13:44,380 --> 01:13:41,460
didn't get to see this everyone so okay

1657
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:44,390
on a scale of one to ten would you yeah

1658
01:13:51,229 --> 01:13:47,210
really sec good yeah you couldn't see it

1659
01:13:53,090 --> 01:13:51,239
here oh you did well then you should

1660
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:53,100
know these guys you should have been

1661
01:14:00,050 --> 01:13:55,650
going to year they went to they went to

1662
01:14:01,490 --> 01:14:00,060
the wrong place yeah so I'm just curious

1663
01:14:05,180 --> 01:14:01,500
because you guys have much more

1664
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:05,190
experience than me am i no longer a UFO

1665
01:14:10,220 --> 01:14:07,890
virgin or what all right no this is

1666
01:14:12,050 --> 01:14:10,230
Kevin Gausman and Heidi Gattu both of us

1667
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:12,060
when we did a show on day and afterwards

1668
01:14:15,470 --> 01:14:13,530
we went and looked in the sky for some

1669
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:15,480
reason she saw it and it was almost like

1670
01:14:19,459 --> 01:14:17,370
exactly what you explained it was a ball

1671
01:14:21,170 --> 01:14:19,469
of the sky and then I was going up and

1672
01:14:23,540 --> 01:14:21,180
back up and down and then another one

1673
01:14:25,820 --> 01:14:23,550
came out of nowhere and then somehow a

1674
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:25,830
plane came from that area like maybe

1675
01:14:29,930 --> 01:14:28,290
I've heard of morphing I don't that you

1676
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:29,940
guys even think or what you think about

1677
01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:32,010
that as far as an actual orb changing

1678
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:34,080
into a plane in the sky oh well there's

1679
01:14:40,610 --> 01:14:38,130
there's a lot of cases okay there's a

1680
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:40,620
lot of cases where people have talked

1681
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:42,930
about objects changing shapes for

1682
01:14:47,620 --> 01:14:45,090
instance Rendlesham force the thing that

1683
01:14:50,660 --> 01:14:47,630
turns into bursts into five lights

1684
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:50,670
someone else I know that actually is not

1685
01:14:55,310 --> 01:14:52,770
in the UFO field saw something look like

1686
01:14:58,040 --> 01:14:55,320
a box flew up and then burst into five

1687
01:14:59,390 --> 01:14:58,050
lights there are things there are a lot

1688
01:15:01,250 --> 01:14:59,400
of cases where it's morphed into

1689
01:15:02,630 --> 01:15:01,260
something this was midday this is

1690
01:15:04,700 --> 01:15:02,640
brightening four o'clock in the

1691
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:04,710
afternoon and we saw this thing and it

1692
01:15:07,279 --> 01:15:06,210
was right after we did it our radio show

1693
01:15:08,899 --> 01:15:07,289
actually

1694
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:08,909
yeah it was really weird maybe they

1695
01:15:14,870 --> 01:15:12,570
listening who knows I was gonna say from

1696
01:15:17,390 --> 01:15:14,880
what I've seen like similar videos a lot

1697
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:17,400
of those to me that looks and I just saw

1698
01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:19,170
a little bit of it it looks more organic

1699
01:15:23,899 --> 01:15:21,360
than it does mechanical practically you

1700
01:15:25,879 --> 01:15:23,909
know it's it and there's you know

1701
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:25,889
there's those type of phenomena out

1702
01:15:29,990 --> 01:15:27,449
there they're a natural phenomenon that

1703
01:15:33,979 --> 01:15:30,000
glow like that but that looks a little

1704
01:15:36,709 --> 01:15:33,989
more organic than mechanical to me all

1705
01:15:39,259 --> 01:15:36,719
right we just go ahead Jason input just

1706
01:15:41,540 --> 01:15:39,269
one second so Nick Pope is joining us

1707
01:15:42,830 --> 01:15:41,550
right now for just a minute and he

1708
01:15:44,330 --> 01:15:42,840
doesn't have too long so we're gonna get

1709
01:15:47,689 --> 01:15:44,340
the microphone quick and I'll give it to

1710
01:15:51,140 --> 01:15:47,699
Nick but yeah I mean I've looked at and

1711
01:15:53,540 --> 01:15:51,150
analyzed thousands of UFO videos over

1712
01:15:57,379 --> 01:15:53,550
the years and I will say that is

1713
01:16:00,109 --> 01:15:57,389
genuinely of interest to me I agree it

1714
01:16:01,759 --> 01:16:00,119
does look look sort of organic it's cool

1715
01:16:04,549 --> 01:16:01,769
because you do see a helicopter in the

1716
01:16:06,109 --> 01:16:04,559
same video you also see a bird and this

1717
01:16:08,930 --> 01:16:06,119
clearly is not a bird it's interesting

1718
01:16:11,839 --> 01:16:08,940
to see how it moves it does not move as

1719
01:16:14,060 --> 01:16:11,849
a typical drone would move so it is

1720
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:14,070
certainly something of interest but I do

1721
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:16,050
want to point out to you quickly don't

1722
01:16:21,979 --> 01:16:18,449
assume that you're in company of people

1723
01:16:23,359 --> 01:16:21,989
who have all seen UFOs because correct

1724
01:16:28,339 --> 01:16:23,369
me if I'm wrong withstand has not seen

1725
01:16:29,689 --> 01:16:28,349
the UFO has II right so so many many of

1726
01:16:31,750 --> 01:16:29,699
the leading UFO researchers have not

1727
01:16:36,759 --> 01:16:31,760
seen UFOs themselves but he has has

1728
01:16:42,500 --> 01:16:39,950
welcome to the show Nick thank you yes

1729
01:16:44,209 --> 01:16:42,510
so a pleasure to have you here and we

1730
01:16:46,910 --> 01:16:44,219
were discussing and perhaps we can get

1731
01:16:49,220 --> 01:16:46,920
your insight on this you know what has

1732
01:16:52,370 --> 01:16:49,230
changed basically since the December

1733
01:16:55,850 --> 01:16:52,380
16th article as far as people relaxing

1734
01:16:58,009 --> 01:16:55,860
more taking the topic seriously any

1735
01:17:00,169 --> 01:16:58,019
changes that you want to talk about that

1736
01:17:03,729 --> 01:17:00,179
you've seen yes I think this is a

1737
01:17:06,410 --> 01:17:03,739
massive story it has arguably taken

1738
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:06,420
ufology if I can use that term out of

1739
01:17:12,620 --> 01:17:09,449
the fringe and much more into the

1740
01:17:15,620 --> 01:17:12,630
mainstream with the media it's one of

1741
01:17:18,470 --> 01:17:15,630
those rare examples of a case where I

1742
01:17:21,260 --> 01:17:18,480
think the UFO community can say not in a

1743
01:17:24,110 --> 01:17:21,270
sort of slightly mean I told you so

1744
01:17:26,660 --> 01:17:24,120
way but can say look for all the the

1745
01:17:29,420 --> 01:17:26,670
people that were ridiculing us and and

1746
01:17:31,070 --> 01:17:29,430
you know we said the government was

1747
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:31,080
going to be doing this the government

1748
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:33,570
said we did not investigate

1749
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:37,130
since Project Blue Book if you ask any

1750
01:17:41,570 --> 01:17:41,250
agency right up until September 6th

1751
01:17:44,090 --> 01:17:41,580
Eddie

1752
01:17:46,010 --> 01:17:44,100
December 16th they would say no no we're

1753
01:17:48,530 --> 01:17:46,020
no longer interested in this we don't

1754
01:17:51,650 --> 01:17:48,540
investigate there isn't a program turns

1755
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:51,660
out they did there was so this is a huge

1756
01:17:58,070 --> 01:17:53,610
deal I mean it's it's an absolutely huge

1757
01:18:00,530 --> 01:17:58,080
deal having said that I think when I

1758
01:18:02,570 --> 01:18:00,540
came in I I heard you discussing some of

1759
01:18:07,250 --> 01:18:02,580
the videos I'm going to be a little

1760
01:18:09,470 --> 01:18:07,260
controversial on this I find in one

1761
01:18:11,330 --> 01:18:09,480
sense the videos almost the least

1762
01:18:14,090 --> 01:18:11,340
interesting aspect of the whole story

1763
01:18:17,230 --> 01:18:14,100
the much more interesting question is is

1764
01:18:21,050 --> 01:18:17,240
that they had a program I mean in fact

1765
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:21,060
anyone who's studied UFOs and

1766
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:23,730
particularly even I go back to Project

1767
01:18:26,900 --> 01:18:25,440
Blue Book but the work that I did in the

1768
01:18:30,050 --> 01:18:26,910
British government for the Ministry of

1769
01:18:32,270 --> 01:18:30,060
Defense I mean yes pilots see UFOs all

1770
01:18:34,490 --> 01:18:32,280
the time and from time to time they're

1771
01:18:37,700 --> 01:18:34,500
tracked on radar and occasionally we get

1772
01:18:41,480 --> 01:18:37,710
gun camera footage so in fact that the

1773
01:18:43,790 --> 01:18:41,490
video aspect of the New York Times story

1774
01:18:45,530 --> 01:18:43,800
didn't surprise me at all and I don't

1775
01:18:49,820 --> 01:18:45,540
think it surprised any of you you've

1776
01:18:52,460 --> 01:18:49,830
we've seen this we knew this the real

1777
01:18:55,970 --> 01:18:52,470
challenge I think is is where we go from

1778
01:18:59,470 --> 01:18:55,980
here how the UFO community responds to

1779
01:19:03,650 --> 01:18:59,480
what I think is a tremendous opportunity

1780
01:19:07,100 --> 01:19:03,660
now the UFO community is pushing on much

1781
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:07,110
more of an open door with the mainstream

1782
01:19:12,050 --> 01:19:09,570
media it's no longer these crazy people

1783
01:19:13,820 --> 01:19:12,060
who believe in flying saucers it's these

1784
01:19:15,830 --> 01:19:13,830
people who said that there was a secret

1785
01:19:16,580 --> 01:19:15,840
government program and turned out to be

1786
01:19:20,090 --> 01:19:16,590
correct

1787
01:19:25,790 --> 01:19:20,100
let's use that somehow let's let's use

1788
01:19:29,540 --> 01:19:25,800
that to reframe the debate about UFOs to

1789
01:19:32,510 --> 01:19:29,550
re-engage with the media and get get a

1790
01:19:34,399 --> 01:19:32,520
story about this or not just a story but

1791
01:19:38,180 --> 01:19:34,409
a series of stories

1792
01:19:41,270 --> 01:19:38,190
more general treatment of this not just

1793
01:19:44,570 --> 01:19:41,280
as the little jokey item at the end of

1794
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:44,580
the news program where they kind of play

1795
01:19:49,910 --> 01:19:47,730
the x-files music and and have a little

1796
01:19:52,610 --> 01:19:49,920
laugh and there was of course some of

1797
01:19:54,740 --> 01:19:52,620
that with with the Pentagon story you

1798
01:19:56,689 --> 01:19:54,750
can't entirely get away from that but

1799
01:20:00,950 --> 01:19:56,699
let's let's kind of try and move away

1800
01:20:02,660 --> 01:20:00,960
from that and have a conversation about

1801
01:20:04,610 --> 01:20:02,670
this

1802
01:20:06,229 --> 01:20:04,620
one of the next interesting things

1803
01:20:10,430 --> 01:20:06,239
that's going to happen with this story

1804
01:20:13,399 --> 01:20:10,440
is that the first tranche of Freedom of

1805
01:20:15,530 --> 01:20:13,409
Information Act requests are going to

1806
01:20:16,970 --> 01:20:15,540
get they've already gotten holding

1807
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:16,980
replies but they're going to get

1808
01:20:22,370 --> 01:20:20,370
substantive replies will they get some

1809
01:20:24,260 --> 01:20:22,380
of the information and documentation

1810
01:20:26,180 --> 01:20:24,270
will they get for example some of the

1811
01:20:30,169 --> 01:20:26,190
very specific things that have been

1812
01:20:33,470 --> 01:20:30,179
mentioned like the government contracts

1813
01:20:37,550 --> 01:20:33,480
under which Bigelow Aerospace got this

1814
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:37,560
this particular work will they get for

1815
01:20:45,350 --> 01:20:41,730
example the 490 page report that the

1816
01:20:47,990 --> 01:20:45,360
Post reported that that a tip had as a

1817
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:48,000
sort of crown jewels this is this is the

1818
01:20:53,060 --> 01:20:50,850
best of the best in terms of cases not

1819
01:20:58,729 --> 01:20:53,070
just from the US but from all around the

1820
01:21:00,080 --> 01:20:58,739
world or will we find that dia and some

1821
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:00,090
of the others who've been on the

1822
01:21:03,669 --> 01:21:02,850
receiving end of these FOI requests turn

1823
01:21:07,550 --> 01:21:03,679
them down

1824
01:21:09,709 --> 01:21:07,560
citing objections may be firstly of

1825
01:21:13,990 --> 01:21:09,719
national security but secondly perhaps

1826
01:21:17,689 --> 01:21:14,000
with some of the Bigelow information

1827
01:21:20,959 --> 01:21:17,699
citing the foi exemption that covers

1828
01:21:25,459 --> 01:21:20,969
commercially confidential information so

1829
01:21:27,530 --> 01:21:25,469
the next stage of this story I think the

1830
01:21:30,290 --> 01:21:27,540
next really interesting stage of the

1831
01:21:32,689 --> 01:21:30,300
story is is going to be the response to

1832
01:21:35,060 --> 01:21:32,699
those FOI requests some of which have

1833
01:21:37,459 --> 01:21:35,070
gone in from people in the UFO research

1834
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:37,469
community others of which have gone in

1835
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:40,650
from serious mainstream journalists and

1836
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:42,090
I've spoken to some of them and I know

1837
01:21:46,430 --> 01:21:44,010
about some of the requests that have

1838
01:21:48,379 --> 01:21:46,440
have gone in so that's going to be

1839
01:21:50,299 --> 01:21:48,389
interesting more videos

1840
01:21:53,029 --> 01:21:50,309
going to be coming out that's another

1841
01:21:57,139 --> 01:21:53,039
aspect the question about the so called

1842
01:22:00,560 --> 01:21:57,149
metamaterials is is another aspect so

1843
01:22:03,229 --> 01:22:00,570
exciting times for this subject and a

1844
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:03,239
real opportunity I think for the UFO

1845
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:06,530
community to to seize this opportunity

1846
01:22:15,709 --> 01:22:11,570
to to continue the process of

1847
01:22:17,589 --> 01:22:15,719
mainstreaming this subject and and see

1848
01:22:21,589 --> 01:22:17,599
what what can be achieved through that

1849
01:22:23,719 --> 01:22:21,599
yeah what do you think about like the mo

1850
01:22:25,429 --> 01:22:23,729
D in other countries do you think it's a

1851
01:22:28,069 --> 01:22:25,439
possibility that they'll start loosening

1852
01:22:30,979 --> 01:22:28,079
up and saying yeah the me2 movement so

1853
01:22:33,259 --> 01:22:30,989
to speak in UFOs like saying we have

1854
01:22:35,299 --> 01:22:33,269
then also do you think that information

1855
01:22:38,330 --> 01:22:35,309
may loosen up a little bit around the

1856
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:38,340
world it may have an effect but in my

1857
01:22:44,270 --> 01:22:41,090
experience countries are notoriously

1858
01:22:46,870 --> 01:22:44,280
insular about this subject and and

1859
01:22:50,299 --> 01:22:46,880
there's actually surprisingly little

1860
01:22:52,279 --> 01:22:50,309
collaboration liaison and and the

1861
01:22:55,399 --> 01:22:52,289
certainly none of what you would hope

1862
01:22:57,739 --> 01:22:55,409
and expect for example bodies such as

1863
01:23:00,259 --> 01:22:57,749
the European Union or the United Nations

1864
01:23:01,699 --> 01:23:00,269
taking a coordinating role there have

1865
01:23:03,459 --> 01:23:01,709
been a couple of initiatives of course

1866
01:23:05,540 --> 01:23:03,469
but they haven't come to much and

1867
01:23:08,929 --> 01:23:05,550
frankly when I last talked to anyone

1868
01:23:11,709 --> 01:23:08,939
about the UN at the UN about this they

1869
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:11,719
didn't want to touch any of this

1870
01:23:17,870 --> 01:23:15,449
understandably I guess so yeah

1871
01:23:20,719 --> 01:23:17,880
that's that's one aspect yeah thank you

1872
01:23:23,509 --> 01:23:20,729
go ahead I just wanted to make a comment

1873
01:23:26,859 --> 01:23:23,519
that I couldn't agree with Nick more of

1874
01:23:30,229 --> 01:23:26,869
course this is a huge huge story and

1875
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:30,239
MUFON actually jumped the gun a little

1876
01:23:34,839 --> 01:23:32,489
bit on this story with their conference

1877
01:23:37,580 --> 01:23:34,849
last year in Las Vegas which was titled

1878
01:23:41,419 --> 01:23:37,590
UFOs in the secret space program and we

1879
01:23:44,959 --> 01:23:41,429
had Bill Tompkins just before he passed

1880
01:23:47,659 --> 01:23:44,969
away discussing his experiences we had

1881
01:23:50,389 --> 01:23:47,669
Michael Saleh there speaking we had Jim

1882
01:23:52,549 --> 01:23:50,399
Keller there speaking and people who are

1883
01:23:56,330 --> 01:23:52,559
really interested in the in-depth story

1884
01:24:00,229 --> 01:23:56,340
can go and googled those lectures on

1885
01:24:01,649 --> 01:24:00,239
MUFON TV and see them next year we hope

1886
01:24:05,429 --> 01:24:01,659
to continue that of course

1887
01:24:08,159 --> 01:24:05,439
this this July in Cherry Hill New Jersey

1888
01:24:11,069 --> 01:24:08,169
so it's just a little you know cheap

1889
01:24:12,839 --> 01:24:11,079
plug therefore for MUFON but I think it

1890
01:24:14,969 --> 01:24:12,849
is a very important story and I think it

1891
01:24:16,229 --> 01:24:14,979
is coming out and I think people do want

1892
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:16,239
to share it

1893
01:24:21,330 --> 01:24:18,130
I know Corey Goode and David Wilcock

1894
01:24:24,089 --> 01:24:21,340
kind of have kind of blown the lid off

1895
01:24:26,669 --> 01:24:24,099
this a little bit with their YouTube

1896
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:26,679
videos people have thought well they

1897
01:24:31,919 --> 01:24:29,050
can't possibly be true but now there's

1898
01:24:34,679 --> 01:24:31,929
other collaborators coming up and saying

1899
01:24:37,049 --> 01:24:34,689
yes I worked in this project and I can

1900
01:24:40,799 --> 01:24:37,059
confirm different pieces of their

1901
01:24:43,819 --> 01:24:40,809
stories so I I think it's we're gonna

1902
01:24:46,229 --> 01:24:43,829
we're going to see more in the coming

1903
01:24:49,049 --> 01:24:46,239
future we're getting some questions

1904
01:24:50,429 --> 01:24:49,059
coming in everything for the panel but

1905
01:24:52,199 --> 01:24:50,439
Nick I want to thank you I know you have

1906
01:24:53,489 --> 01:24:52,209
to go but I just want to thank you so

1907
01:24:55,020 --> 01:24:53,499
much I've wanted you on the show a

1908
01:24:58,529 --> 01:24:55,030
number of times I really thank you for

1909
01:25:01,259 --> 01:24:58,539
for stopping in thank you and just in

1910
01:25:02,759 --> 01:25:01,269
one final comment I'll just say going

1911
01:25:05,009 --> 01:25:02,769
back to the question about other

1912
01:25:07,620 --> 01:25:05,019
countries of course the British

1913
01:25:10,799 --> 01:25:07,630
government has been for the last ten

1914
01:25:13,379 --> 01:25:10,809
years now undertaking a process of

1915
01:25:15,929 --> 01:25:13,389
declassifying and releasing its UFO

1916
01:25:18,299 --> 01:25:15,939
files and the final three I know we've

1917
01:25:21,659 --> 01:25:18,309
had a couple of false alarms the final

1918
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:21,669
three should be out certainly no later

1919
01:25:26,819 --> 01:25:24,610
than three months from now but maybe

1920
01:25:30,060 --> 01:25:26,829
before then so the British government

1921
01:25:32,429 --> 01:25:30,070
has already taken some steps in this

1922
01:25:34,049 --> 01:25:32,439
particular area as have other

1923
01:25:37,199 --> 01:25:34,059
governments that the French government

1924
01:25:40,620 --> 01:25:37,209
have released files so the pentagon

1925
01:25:41,939 --> 01:25:40,630
story may have an effect but of course a

1926
01:25:47,219 --> 01:25:41,949
lot of governments would say we've we've

1927
01:25:49,949 --> 01:25:47,229
already done this I think the the

1928
01:25:52,350 --> 01:25:49,959
British Ministry of Defence their

1929
01:25:55,169 --> 01:25:52,360
current position on on the Pentagon a

1930
01:25:57,689 --> 01:25:55,179
tip program is that they didn't have any

1931
01:26:00,419 --> 01:25:57,699
visibility of it I certainly didn't when

1932
01:26:03,359 --> 01:26:00,429
I was was there I mean of course the I

1933
01:26:06,810 --> 01:26:03,369
was doing that job long before a tip

1934
01:26:08,879 --> 01:26:06,820
came into existence so whether there is

1935
01:26:11,459 --> 01:26:08,889
much of an effect on other nations I

1936
01:26:14,670 --> 01:26:11,469
don't know but if if there is any effect

1937
01:26:16,950 --> 01:26:14,680
if this encourages any nation that has

1938
01:26:19,740 --> 01:26:16,960
released its files to do so or any

1939
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:19,750
nation that's released some files to

1940
01:26:23,820 --> 01:26:22,090
release a few more well one more

1941
01:26:26,100 --> 01:26:23,830
document is is always going to be a good

1942
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:26,110
thing so let's let's wait and let's hope

1943
01:26:31,230 --> 01:26:28,570
so yeah before you leave this one quick

1944
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:31,240
question I had a conversation with

1945
01:26:35,820 --> 01:26:33,850
Alejandro a while back didn't you have

1946
01:26:37,890 --> 01:26:35,830
like a picture really interesting

1947
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:37,900
picture of UFO in your office at the mo

1948
01:26:42,390 --> 01:26:40,330
D and they took it down and or something

1949
01:26:45,450 --> 01:26:42,400
well you know I think we could do a

1950
01:26:48,090 --> 01:26:45,460
whole show on that but to cut a long

1951
01:26:51,530 --> 01:26:48,100
story short for many years when I was

1952
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:51,540
working on the UFO project there was a

1953
01:26:57,810 --> 01:26:55,330
poster sized enlargement of a photograph

1954
01:27:01,050 --> 01:26:57,820
that we had on our office wall and it

1955
01:27:04,770 --> 01:27:01,060
showed a diamond-shaped craft being

1956
01:27:09,330 --> 01:27:04,780
either buzzed or escorted depending on

1957
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:09,340
your perception by a military jet and I

1958
01:27:14,490 --> 01:27:12,130
won't go into all the details of the

1959
01:27:18,230 --> 01:27:14,500
story itself but the the picture was

1960
01:27:22,140 --> 01:27:18,240
taken in Scotland in August of 1990

1961
01:27:24,390 --> 01:27:22,150
Ministry of Defence imagery analysts

1962
01:27:28,260 --> 01:27:24,400
both in the Defense Intelligence staff

1963
01:27:31,370 --> 01:27:28,270
and in the joint air reconnaissance and

1964
01:27:34,710 --> 01:27:31,380
intelligence centre looked at this

1965
01:27:37,940 --> 01:27:34,720
confirmed that these pictures of the

1966
01:27:41,220 --> 01:27:37,950
worth I think six in all were genuine

1967
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:41,230
showed you know for want of a better

1968
01:27:47,250 --> 01:27:43,930
word a structured craft of unknown

1969
01:27:49,980 --> 01:27:47,260
origin with no apparent form of you know

1970
01:27:52,020 --> 01:27:49,990
well as Lou Elizondo would say no no

1971
01:27:56,340 --> 01:27:52,030
obvious wing or tail or propulsion

1972
01:27:58,770 --> 01:27:56,350
system so the witnesses had seen it just

1973
01:28:02,490 --> 01:27:58,780
just hanging there and then it it

1974
01:28:07,260 --> 01:28:02,500
accelerated away at vast speed my head

1975
01:28:10,470 --> 01:28:07,270
of division one day removed that picture

1976
01:28:14,010 --> 01:28:10,480
having convinced himself that it showed

1977
01:28:17,460 --> 01:28:14,020
some secret prototype hypersonic US

1978
01:28:20,310 --> 01:28:17,470
aircraft being tested in British

1979
01:28:22,980 --> 01:28:20,320
airspace those of us who've done the

1980
01:28:25,050 --> 01:28:22,990
analysis we did not conclude that but he

1981
01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:25,060
had convinced himself and he was he was

1982
01:28:28,140 --> 01:28:27,250
the head of the division so he took it

1983
01:28:32,270 --> 01:28:28,150
down

1984
01:28:34,610 --> 01:28:32,280
he locked it in his combination cabinet

1985
01:28:38,250 --> 01:28:34,620
when the Ministry of Defense

1986
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:38,260
Declassified and released the batch of

1987
01:28:41,939 --> 01:28:40,570
files that mentioned this particular

1988
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:41,949
incident a lot of people were very

1989
01:28:46,500 --> 01:28:43,690
excited and said great we're going to

1990
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:46,510
see this picture what they actually

1991
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:51,370
ended up seeing was a poor photocopy of

1992
01:29:01,610 --> 01:28:56,170
a line-drawing Donna of one of the

1993
01:29:05,189 --> 01:29:01,620
photos the original poster sized color

1994
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:05,199
thing that had been on my wall for years

1995
01:29:11,419 --> 01:29:07,810
had been I think the quote the Ministry

1996
01:29:13,740 --> 01:29:11,429
of Defense gave was misplaced

1997
01:29:15,930 --> 01:29:13,750
something like that but the interesting

1998
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:15,940
thing it was my opposite number in the

1999
01:29:19,229 --> 01:29:18,010
Defence Intelligence staff had a copy so

2000
01:29:20,970 --> 01:29:19,239
it's not like this was the only one

2001
01:29:22,020 --> 01:29:20,980
kicking around but they say they haven't

2002
01:29:26,189 --> 01:29:22,030
got it

2003
01:29:29,459 --> 01:29:26,199
a few years ago I was asked for a

2004
01:29:34,140 --> 01:29:29,469
British TV show to team up with a

2005
01:29:35,669 --> 01:29:34,150
graphic artist based in LA and we kind

2006
01:29:38,550 --> 01:29:35,679
of went into a huddle like one of these

2007
01:29:41,430 --> 01:29:38,560
you know I guess like a crime victim and

2008
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:41,440
a police sketch artist we went through

2009
01:29:46,020 --> 01:29:43,570
the files we looked at the line drawing

2010
01:29:47,610 --> 01:29:46,030
and we recreated the image and so

2011
01:29:50,100 --> 01:29:47,620
there's a recreation of the image out

2012
01:29:52,770 --> 01:29:50,110
there but the the photos the negative

2013
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:52,780
and some of the documentation seem to

2014
01:29:57,479 --> 01:29:55,810
have been mislaid so yeah great story

2015
01:30:00,240 --> 01:29:57,489
thank you very much for that thank you

2016
01:30:02,340 --> 01:30:00,250
and I know their cash Landrum case you

2017
01:30:04,979 --> 01:30:02,350
know as a diamond shaped you know that

2018
01:30:07,590 --> 01:30:04,989
they think may have been cash Landrum

2019
01:30:10,500 --> 01:30:07,600
was a diamond-shaped craft and and of

2020
01:30:12,689 --> 01:30:10,510
course though the object scene wasn't

2021
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:12,699
it's it's an interesting coincidence

2022
01:30:18,570 --> 01:30:15,810
that the cash Landrum incident occurred

2023
01:30:20,939 --> 01:30:18,580
literally within hours of the Rendlesham

2024
01:30:25,729 --> 01:30:20,949
forest incident halfway across the world

2025
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:25,739
in the UK so two great iconic cases

2026
01:30:30,149 --> 01:30:28,810
happening so so close together timewise

2027
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:30,159
alright well I won't keep you anymore

2028
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:31,570
thank you so much thank you

2029
01:30:38,820 --> 01:30:36,010
yeah really appreciate it all right so

2030
01:30:41,580 --> 01:30:38,830
here's a we have a question up here and

2031
01:30:47,149 --> 01:30:41,590
that is this one here for you

2032
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:47,159
specifically Travis it says our use

2033
01:30:51,750 --> 01:30:49,330
specifically disappointed in the

2034
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:51,760
portrayal of how the aliens treated you

2035
01:30:56,430 --> 01:30:54,489
and fire in the sky or was that

2036
01:31:00,600 --> 01:30:56,440
something that actually happened

2037
01:31:03,629 --> 01:31:00,610
well my perception at the time was that

2038
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:03,639
it was negative I associated the the

2039
01:31:10,290 --> 01:31:05,170
injured feeling the pain I was feeling

2040
01:31:12,510 --> 01:31:10,300
with them but you know having many years

2041
01:31:15,359 --> 01:31:12,520
to ponder it you know I I don't look it

2042
01:31:16,950 --> 01:31:15,369
that way at all now but it was an

2043
01:31:21,629 --> 01:31:16,960
accurate depiction of how I felt at the

2044
01:31:23,310 --> 01:31:21,639
time I see okay very good so this is a

2045
01:31:25,770 --> 01:31:23,320
something I'm not familiar with but

2046
01:31:28,859 --> 01:31:25,780
maybe someone else is and it's for the

2047
01:31:32,370 --> 01:31:28,869
panel and what is that your is what is

2048
01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:32,380
your opinion on the bad encounters in SR

2049
01:31:42,419 --> 01:31:37,210
Carla Turner does anyone know that that

2050
01:31:44,550 --> 01:31:42,429
encounter Carl or Turner you know a bad

2051
01:31:51,930 --> 01:31:44,560
a bad encounters like negative

2052
01:31:55,410 --> 01:31:51,940
encounters what's your opinion on the

2053
01:31:57,450 --> 01:31:55,420
bad encounters but let we'll move on to

2054
01:31:59,189 --> 01:31:57,460
another question that one's just a

2055
01:32:00,720 --> 01:31:59,199
little too I don't think enough people

2056
01:32:03,689 --> 01:32:00,730
are familiar with that

2057
01:32:08,689 --> 01:32:03,699
so someone wanted to know where do you

2058
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:08,699
think the phenomenon originates and well

2059
01:32:13,649 --> 01:32:11,770
you know to say that there's nothing new

2060
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:13,659
about the apology is quite an

2061
01:32:18,959 --> 01:32:16,210
understatement you know there is a we're

2062
01:32:21,300 --> 01:32:18,969
looking into a researching petroglyphs

2063
01:32:24,089 --> 01:32:21,310
in our area these are rock carvings

2064
01:32:27,209 --> 01:32:24,099
dating back hundreds of years and these

2065
01:32:30,450 --> 01:32:27,219
can be authenticated because of the the

2066
01:32:32,310 --> 01:32:30,460
chemical changes that occur in the

2067
01:32:35,550 --> 01:32:32,320
surface of this and exposed to weather

2068
01:32:42,379 --> 01:32:35,560
for that length of time and it's amazing

2069
01:32:44,340 --> 01:32:42,389
the that it was how much these people

2070
01:32:48,010 --> 01:32:44,350
regarded there

2071
01:32:50,890 --> 01:32:48,020
their interaction with with the sky

2072
01:32:52,510 --> 01:32:50,900
people as you know permanent stuff yeah

2073
01:32:55,890 --> 01:32:52,520
this is something you wanted to record

2074
01:32:57,940 --> 01:32:55,900
and in stone for for posterity

2075
01:33:00,100 --> 01:32:57,950
very good does anyone else have a

2076
01:33:01,990 --> 01:33:00,110
comment on that real quickly and we have

2077
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:02,000
someone new just popped in won't talk to

2078
01:33:07,330 --> 01:33:03,770
sure yeah I'll definitely pass it to you

2079
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:07,340
Steve you have it next but so this is an

2080
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:08,930
interesting question that you know gets

2081
01:33:15,130 --> 01:33:11,810
posed a lot and it's fun to contemplate

2082
01:33:17,020 --> 01:33:15,140
because you know I always give people

2083
01:33:20,310 --> 01:33:17,030
when I talk about this the answer is

2084
01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:20,320
always yes you know if people say our

2085
01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:23,450
extraterrestrials or if they are here

2086
01:33:28,450 --> 01:33:26,330
are they going are they here to harm us

2087
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:28,460
yes are they here to help us yes are

2088
01:33:33,510 --> 01:33:30,410
they here to steal our resources yes I

2089
01:33:36,310 --> 01:33:33,520
mean the phenomena isn't all the same

2090
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:36,320
you know what we have to look at is

2091
01:33:41,230 --> 01:33:38,930
humanity our planet here and looking at

2092
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:41,240
that as an example as as a point of

2093
01:33:45,460 --> 01:33:43,730
reference if you have three people go

2094
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:45,470
into a 7-eleven they're all not

2095
01:33:50,410 --> 01:33:47,410
necessarily going in for the same reason

2096
01:33:52,210 --> 01:33:50,420
one might be going in to buy a soda one

2097
01:33:54,100 --> 01:33:52,220
might be going in to try to talk their

2098
01:33:56,070 --> 01:33:54,110
way into using the restroom one might be

2099
01:33:58,480 --> 01:33:56,080
going in to rob the place

2100
01:34:00,790 --> 01:33:58,490
Minoo we all have different motives and

2101
01:34:03,310 --> 01:34:00,800
reasons for doing what we do and that's

2102
01:34:05,830 --> 01:34:03,320
just humanity that's just us here on our

2103
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:05,840
planet so if we're thinking about the

2104
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:08,410
infinite life that is in our universe

2105
01:34:15,130 --> 01:34:10,970
there's going to be a lot of everything

2106
01:34:16,930 --> 01:34:15,140
there is a lot of everything so all of

2107
01:34:20,290 --> 01:34:16,940
the above is always the answer yeah

2108
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:20,300
thank you this is Bob Gross again I'd

2109
01:34:24,850 --> 01:34:22,250
like to say in addition to what you were

2110
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:24,860
saying in my research I'm finding it's

2111
01:34:31,300 --> 01:34:27,890
it's got to be almost a dialogue there

2112
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:31,310
can be a stimulus out there

2113
01:34:35,230 --> 01:34:33,050
but you have got to be ready to receive

2114
01:34:37,930 --> 01:34:35,240
it and I think that's extremely

2115
01:34:43,150 --> 01:34:37,940
important in the whole the UFO

2116
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:43,160
phenomenon yeah good point I this is

2117
01:34:46,420 --> 01:34:44,930
totally gonna set up Steve from what

2118
01:34:51,750 --> 01:34:46,430
Jason was saying yes I'm setting you up

2119
01:34:53,980 --> 01:34:51,760
I've been sitting up everyone here so

2120
01:34:55,480 --> 01:34:53,990
that was actually the best description

2121
01:34:57,130 --> 01:34:55,490
that I've ever heard of it because it is

2122
01:34:57,909 --> 01:34:57,140
all of the above it's all the boxes are

2123
01:35:00,279 --> 01:34:57,919
checked it's like

2124
01:35:02,709 --> 01:35:00,289
if you look at a tribe that hasn't seen

2125
01:35:05,319 --> 01:35:02,719
mankind at all you wouldn't say oh the

2126
01:35:09,759 --> 01:35:05,329
Americans represent all of the world god

2127
01:35:12,969 --> 01:35:09,769
no so so my question is with all that

2128
01:35:15,069 --> 01:35:12,979
that being the case where do we go from

2129
01:35:17,739 --> 01:35:15,079
here I mean is is the ultimate goal

2130
01:35:20,139 --> 01:35:17,749
complete acceptance of this and then

2131
01:35:22,270 --> 01:35:20,149
what do we do with that because the

2132
01:35:26,109 --> 01:35:22,280
extraterrestrials are interdimensional

2133
01:35:28,299 --> 01:35:26,119
beings they they don't maybe they don't

2134
01:35:30,009 --> 01:35:28,309
care that we would all agree on that how

2135
01:35:32,500 --> 01:35:30,019
do we where do we what's the next level

2136
01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:32,510
and and I'm sure Steve has thoughts on

2137
01:35:40,929 --> 01:35:35,570
that so Steven Bassets here this is

2138
01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:40,939
called setting up Steve Bassett so I

2139
01:35:45,429 --> 01:35:43,489
just want to say real quickly Steve was

2140
01:35:47,739 --> 01:35:45,439
the very first person that had the guts

2141
01:35:51,850 --> 01:35:47,749
to be on one of my shows I mean he was

2142
01:35:55,179 --> 01:35:51,860
the very first person on my show yeah

2143
01:35:59,350 --> 01:35:55,189
well he went in the wrong room so you're

2144
01:36:01,389 --> 01:35:59,360
always welcome Steve and that let's we

2145
01:36:02,949 --> 01:36:01,399
have talked to before you came here we

2146
01:36:05,199 --> 01:36:02,959
talked about you know what has changed

2147
01:36:07,959 --> 01:36:05,209
since the December 16th New York Times

2148
01:36:09,639 --> 01:36:07,969
articles come out and especially to

2149
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:09,649
someone like you you know because

2150
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:12,050
disclosure is your thing do you think

2151
01:36:15,750 --> 01:36:14,570
it's we pointed in that direction now

2152
01:36:18,100 --> 01:36:15,760
more than ever

2153
01:36:22,029 --> 01:36:18,110
well this is my whole presentation on

2154
01:36:24,069 --> 01:36:22,039
Saturday you do know that right yeah I'm

2155
01:36:29,979 --> 01:36:24,079
not gonna give away boiler alert well

2156
01:36:31,810 --> 01:36:29,989
well well the principle change since the

2157
01:36:34,899 --> 01:36:31,820
New York Times article is people are

2158
01:36:38,159 --> 01:36:34,909
getting excited you can tell that you're

2159
01:36:42,239 --> 01:36:38,169
getting excited you're gonna blow and

2160
01:36:44,139 --> 01:36:42,249
I'm sure some witnesses or they're

2161
01:36:45,580 --> 01:36:44,149
what's going on here and you've got

2162
01:36:47,370 --> 01:36:45,590
journalists and so forth that that's

2163
01:36:49,959 --> 01:36:47,380
really there hasn't been any

2164
01:36:53,229 --> 01:36:49,969
announcements from any other agencies

2165
01:36:56,139 --> 01:36:53,239
but what what's more important is not

2166
01:36:58,359 --> 01:36:56,149
just that there is in fact a two-year

2167
01:37:00,370 --> 01:36:58,369
process underway that's what I'll be

2168
01:37:02,229 --> 01:37:00,380
talking about on Saturday and I've kind

2169
01:37:04,569 --> 01:37:02,239
of identified the bigger picture and the

2170
01:37:06,370 --> 01:37:04,579
players and all that and when you look

2171
01:37:09,909 --> 01:37:06,380
at the bigger picture you you see a

2172
01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:09,919
strategic maneuver that is more than

2173
01:37:14,859 --> 01:37:11,570
capable of forcing disclosure

2174
01:37:17,020 --> 01:37:14,869
this year which is very interesting

2175
01:37:19,060 --> 01:37:17,030
because the political situation America

2176
01:37:21,939 --> 01:37:19,070
as has never been worse in my lifetime

2177
01:37:23,020 --> 01:37:21,949
so why would they want to do that now

2178
01:37:28,510 --> 01:37:23,030
very interesting I'll be talking about

2179
01:37:30,220 --> 01:37:28,520
that but nevertheless we're in an

2180
01:37:32,500 --> 01:37:30,230
unprecedented time there's never been

2181
01:37:38,319 --> 01:37:32,510
anything like this there has never been

2182
01:37:41,979 --> 01:37:38,329
a - article New York Times uh coverage

2183
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:41,989
of this on the same day ever by the same

2184
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:43,610
writers that I'm aware of

2185
01:37:46,089 --> 01:37:44,810
there's never been the release of gun

2186
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:46,099
camera footage that's the first ever

2187
01:37:49,089 --> 01:37:48,050
somebody said no and they showed me

2188
01:37:52,390 --> 01:37:49,099
something I'm going that that's a

2189
01:37:54,609 --> 01:37:52,400
contrail but he talked about and never

2190
01:37:55,899 --> 01:37:54,619
has a team of former insiders ever come

2191
01:37:58,240 --> 01:37:55,909
together like this so you put it

2192
01:38:00,010 --> 01:37:58,250
together you go okay if this pace

2193
01:38:01,899 --> 01:38:00,020
continues and we don't have a war with

2194
01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:01,909
North Korea or pick another country you

2195
01:38:05,109 --> 01:38:03,650
know whoever we're planning on having

2196
01:38:06,790 --> 01:38:05,119
world with X if they can hold off on the

2197
01:38:08,740 --> 01:38:06,800
next war because they have them all

2198
01:38:09,910 --> 01:38:08,750
queued up you know yeah you know they

2199
01:38:11,319 --> 01:38:09,920
actually have many don't even choose

2200
01:38:13,419 --> 01:38:11,329
from any given time they kind of get to

2201
01:38:15,250 --> 01:38:13,429
a menu want and menu a should cover menu

2202
01:38:17,620 --> 01:38:15,260
be a boost do one from each whatever the

2203
01:38:21,100 --> 01:38:17,630
hell these fine people that we've

2204
01:38:22,930 --> 01:38:21,110
elected and ask the leaders if there

2205
01:38:24,100 --> 01:38:22,940
isn't something like that I don't see

2206
01:38:26,830 --> 01:38:24,110
that I don't see how the truth embargo

2207
01:38:28,540 --> 01:38:26,840
can sustain this all right

2208
01:38:30,490 --> 01:38:28,550
then you let me tell you by the New York

2209
01:38:32,589 --> 01:38:30,500
Times what's which some people may not

2210
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:32,599
have thought about I'll give away a

2211
01:38:36,850 --> 01:38:35,210
little besides your people are not gonna

2212
01:38:41,439 --> 01:38:36,860
fly here to come to my things right

2213
01:38:43,330 --> 01:38:41,449
they're late for that yeah they did not

2214
01:38:44,859 --> 01:38:43,340
run that story down a lot of people

2215
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:44,869
think oh wow the New York Times got some

2216
01:38:50,379 --> 01:38:46,010
people out there and they ran this story

2217
01:38:52,959 --> 01:38:50,389
down Oh time to Long's people handed it

2218
01:38:54,339 --> 01:38:52,969
to them walked in the door and said you

2219
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:54,349
know we're doing this and here's some

2220
01:38:58,240 --> 01:38:56,090
news now people say well that's

2221
01:38:59,680 --> 01:38:58,250
collusion you know and the fake news and

2222
01:39:02,319 --> 01:38:59,690
they they they're they're being used on

2223
01:39:04,270 --> 01:39:02,329
this crap the New York Times and every

2224
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:04,280
paper have stuff in hi and stories

2225
01:39:08,530 --> 01:39:06,170
walked in the door every single day and

2226
01:39:10,629 --> 01:39:08,540
they make a decision is this news or not

2227
01:39:14,290 --> 01:39:10,639
news and if it's not news later what I

2228
01:39:16,959 --> 01:39:14,300
mean if yeah it's that simple so this

2229
01:39:20,950 --> 01:39:16,969
story was walked in and not only did

2230
01:39:22,540 --> 01:39:20,960
they run it they they got they they knew

2231
01:39:23,830 --> 01:39:22,550
Leslie Kane was I mean they knew that

2232
01:39:25,479 --> 01:39:23,840
she had written stuff high-level

2233
01:39:27,970 --> 01:39:25,489
connection to Podesta they go get her

2234
01:39:30,670 --> 01:39:27,980
all right and they say okay you're gonna

2235
01:39:32,470 --> 01:39:30,680
write it with Helen Cooper but we need

2236
01:39:34,930 --> 01:39:32,480
more gravitas we want to make sure that

2237
01:39:39,700 --> 01:39:34,940
nobody just sort of takes us too lightly

2238
01:39:41,740 --> 01:39:39,710
and they knew like I knew because I

2239
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:41,750
talked to him he's one of the reporters

2240
01:39:44,410 --> 01:39:43,130
I was working with during that political

2241
01:39:48,100 --> 01:39:44,420
initiative against him with the Clinton

2242
01:39:51,070 --> 01:39:48,110
campaign that a former longtime New York

2243
01:39:53,620 --> 01:39:51,080
Times person Ralph Blumenthal Pulitzer

2244
01:39:59,050 --> 01:39:53,630
Prize winner and nominee both to two

2245
01:40:01,000 --> 01:39:59,060
nominees one win is how would you say

2246
01:40:04,180 --> 01:40:01,010
involved in the issue with something

2247
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:04,190
coming and so they got him too so you've

2248
01:40:08,979 --> 01:40:06,410
got two articles cooked to try written

2249
01:40:10,959 --> 01:40:08,989
by these three people in one is an ear

2250
01:40:13,630 --> 01:40:10,969
that that is that's the New York Times

2251
01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:13,640
going way beyond just okay will write an

2252
01:40:18,940 --> 01:40:16,850
article so in a sense the New York Times

2253
01:40:22,209 --> 01:40:18,950
basically said and we've known about

2254
01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:22,219
this issue always we're not stupid here

2255
01:40:25,180 --> 01:40:24,410
we can read Stan Friedman's and books as

2256
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:25,190
well as anybody else

2257
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:26,810
we've always honest true but we could

2258
01:40:30,850 --> 01:40:28,250
have we couldn't really go beyond a

2259
01:40:32,050 --> 01:40:30,860
certain point yeah and we decided we're

2260
01:40:33,490 --> 01:40:32,060
gonna go beyond a certain point and then

2261
01:40:35,860 --> 01:40:33,500
of course you've got the insiders the

2262
01:40:37,720 --> 01:40:35,870
Pentagon doing the same thing working

2263
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:37,730
this only go but to force the hand of

2264
01:40:43,060 --> 01:40:40,610
somebody the question is whose hand is

2265
01:40:44,770 --> 01:40:43,070
it going to force who which head of

2266
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:44,780
state is going to react to this and

2267
01:40:49,030 --> 01:40:47,330
decide it's time to win the marathon I'm

2268
01:40:51,070 --> 01:40:49,040
just gonna jump in across the finish

2269
01:40:54,100 --> 01:40:51,080
line that's that's what I see is going

2270
01:40:56,860 --> 01:40:54,110
on yeah there's some speculation or

2271
01:40:58,600 --> 01:40:56,870
people are saying who initiated who

2272
01:41:03,850 --> 01:40:58,610
really initiated it you know like

2273
01:41:15,790 --> 01:41:03,860
there's and and so you think so totally

2274
01:41:17,440 --> 01:41:15,800
yeah is a mic holder all right I'm gonna

2275
01:41:19,570 --> 01:41:17,450
ask is there anyone sitting in our

2276
01:41:21,910 --> 01:41:19,580
studio audience that's still awake I

2277
01:41:23,290 --> 01:41:21,920
mean has a question does anyone have a

2278
01:41:29,020 --> 01:41:23,300
question for any of the panel up here

2279
01:41:31,810 --> 01:41:29,030
that you can think of and no questions

2280
01:41:36,700 --> 01:41:31,820
okay you have a comment go ahead

2281
01:41:38,069 --> 01:41:36,710
yes Jim again think of this disclosure

2282
01:41:40,819 --> 01:41:38,079
as a stool

2283
01:41:44,939 --> 01:41:40,829
and you have to have more than one leg

2284
01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:44,949
this table right here is part of a big

2285
01:41:51,240 --> 01:41:49,090
part of that one leg that has put us at

2286
01:41:54,689 --> 01:41:51,250
this point you know it's sort of

2287
01:41:59,280 --> 01:41:54,699
interesting we have MS Martin down there

2288
01:42:01,109 --> 01:41:59,290
who was probably part of a witness of

2289
01:42:03,990 --> 01:42:01,119
history of one of the greatest events

2290
01:42:07,770 --> 01:42:04,000
that move this forward we have mr.

2291
01:42:12,060 --> 01:42:07,780
Walton here moved us forward without mr.

2292
01:42:13,530 --> 01:42:12,070
Friedman there wouldn't be Roswell and

2293
01:42:17,069 --> 01:42:13,540
the only one missing is Whitley Strieber

2294
01:42:19,470 --> 01:42:17,079
in the book and so disclosure isn't just

2295
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:19,480
from the government it's been from

2296
01:42:25,200 --> 01:42:23,170
people in this community because where

2297
01:42:30,959 --> 01:42:25,210
would we be without those four stories

2298
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:30,969
right there and going forward I the one

2299
01:42:38,580 --> 01:42:35,170
hope I have is this community is able to

2300
01:42:40,950 --> 01:42:38,590
new people in old you know have sort of

2301
01:42:42,870 --> 01:42:40,960
a common unified story now you're not

2302
01:42:45,510 --> 01:42:42,880
going to have common unified reasons for

2303
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:45,520
them being here or where they're from

2304
01:42:50,700 --> 01:42:47,530
you know are they from

2305
01:42:52,470 --> 01:42:50,710
you know Nibiru or or from another

2306
01:42:55,950 --> 01:42:52,480
dimension I mean everyone has their own

2307
01:42:58,280 --> 01:42:55,960
opinions but you know it this this the

2308
01:43:02,970 --> 01:42:58,290
spotlight is going to be turned on

2309
01:43:06,330 --> 01:43:02,980
people at this table and that'll be a

2310
01:43:08,490 --> 01:43:06,340
big question and mr. Bassett that can do

2311
01:43:10,260 --> 01:43:08,500
a great job with the lobbying efforts

2312
01:43:12,689 --> 01:43:10,270
and all that but they're gonna have to

2313
01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:12,699
turn to the next level and so keeping

2314
01:43:18,780 --> 01:43:14,170
this going is going to take more than

2315
01:43:20,490 --> 01:43:18,790
the government to do and this program

2316
01:43:24,200 --> 01:43:20,500
right here you put together three of the

2317
01:43:28,200 --> 01:43:24,210
four legs in my opinion of the modern

2318
01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:28,210
lurches in disclosure from our side at

2319
01:43:33,810 --> 01:43:30,730
least yeah you know I've heard I've

2320
01:43:35,490 --> 01:43:33,820
heard not used Steve but I heard many

2321
01:43:36,959 --> 01:43:35,500
people say that they don't think the

2322
01:43:40,610 --> 01:43:36,969
government will ever disclose does

2323
01:43:40,610 --> 01:43:40,620
anyone want to address that

2324
01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:42,630
because they have too many things to

2325
01:43:48,210 --> 01:43:45,370
answer for that you know that they've

2326
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:48,220
been hiding for since 1940s or something

2327
01:43:54,210 --> 01:43:51,010
it's kind of like going up to someone a

2328
01:43:58,740 --> 01:43:54,220
kid Dean sorry this is Dean a legato got

2329
01:44:02,070 --> 01:43:58,750
a UFO abduction movie calm no shameless

2330
01:44:03,810 --> 01:44:02,080
shameless yeah yeah yeah

2331
01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:03,820
it's either UFO or porno one of the

2332
01:44:10,170 --> 01:44:07,330
others we talked about she mentioned or

2333
01:44:12,930 --> 01:44:10,180
both know it's kind of like going up to

2334
01:44:15,660 --> 01:44:12,940
a kid and they say they show you kind of

2335
01:44:18,300 --> 01:44:15,670
what they have behind their back and you

2336
01:44:21,750 --> 01:44:18,310
go oh really what else do you have back

2337
01:44:22,830 --> 01:44:21,760
there I think that it's it's so deep I

2338
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:22,840
mean if they were to come out and say

2339
01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:24,970
yes we have been doing that then it

2340
01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:26,530
becomes okay and what about this and

2341
01:44:30,390 --> 01:44:29,290
what about that and then each separate

2342
01:44:32,580 --> 01:44:30,400
incident is going to have its own

2343
01:44:34,650 --> 01:44:32,590
blockhead if it becomes hey that was

2344
01:44:36,690 --> 01:44:34,660
that generation we're not part of that

2345
01:44:39,630 --> 01:44:36,700
so we can tell you that here's what's

2346
01:44:41,490 --> 01:44:39,640
been going on I don't know how it

2347
01:44:44,700 --> 01:44:41,500
benefits them since the big thing is you

2348
01:44:46,200 --> 01:44:44,710
know information is power and to hold on

2349
01:44:48,120 --> 01:44:46,210
to it and then if we do have all this

2350
01:44:50,820 --> 01:44:48,130
stuff is Russia's another nation going

2351
01:44:52,950 --> 01:44:50,830
to say hey let's share the love here

2352
01:44:54,030 --> 01:44:52,960
we'd like some of that as well and so if

2353
01:44:57,870 --> 01:44:54,040
there was wreckage or something like

2354
01:45:00,000 --> 01:44:57,880
that so um I mean Steve can speak much

2355
01:45:01,710 --> 01:45:00,010
to it more than I can but I just feel as

2356
01:45:05,070 --> 01:45:01,720
someone who's been tracking this for 25

2357
01:45:07,100 --> 01:45:05,080
years I everyone will say well what

2358
01:45:09,720 --> 01:45:07,110
happens if they do that and I go well

2359
01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:09,730
you know it comes down to accountability

2360
01:45:13,170 --> 01:45:11,410
something's been have to be accountable

2361
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:13,180
so who's who's gonna be willing to do

2362
01:45:16,530 --> 01:45:14,890
that I don't know how far we have to get

2363
01:45:18,570 --> 01:45:16,540
before we can talk about like the

2364
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:18,580
forefathers and what they did and the

2365
01:45:23,310 --> 01:45:21,130
crappy things that they did so anyway

2366
01:45:25,680 --> 01:45:23,320
that's my take on it here's a question

2367
01:45:28,230 --> 01:45:25,690
that it's kind of interesting does

2368
01:45:32,310 --> 01:45:28,240
anyone here think that there's possibly

2369
01:45:34,190 --> 01:45:32,320
any manipulation of us by outside like

2370
01:45:39,710 --> 01:45:34,200
extraterrestrial in any type of way

2371
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:39,720
question from chat are you saying that

2372
01:45:44,940 --> 01:45:42,850
humans have been manipulated by aliens

2373
01:45:46,590 --> 01:45:44,950
to create what we right now like

2374
01:45:48,750 --> 01:45:46,600
anything that's happening like right now

2375
01:45:50,559 --> 01:45:48,760
like our technology today is not from us

2376
01:45:54,939 --> 01:45:50,569
from someone else

2377
01:45:56,439 --> 01:45:54,949
the question is well yeah in general do

2378
01:45:58,599 --> 01:45:56,449
you think there's any manipulation by

2379
01:46:01,149 --> 01:45:58,609
extraterrestrial of our planet of our

2380
01:46:03,069 --> 01:46:01,159
peoples I business Kevin gassmann by the

2381
01:46:05,799 --> 01:46:03,079
way that mean of course everything is

2382
01:46:07,359 --> 01:46:05,809
possible isn't it you know do you you

2383
01:46:08,829 --> 01:46:07,369
know is it mind control are aliens

2384
01:46:10,359 --> 01:46:08,839
controlling a certain sector of our

2385
01:46:12,669 --> 01:46:10,369
population you know is that what's going

2386
01:46:15,099 --> 01:46:12,679
on or are half of our population control

2387
01:46:16,959 --> 01:46:15,109
by one raised another half I mean it's

2388
01:46:19,389 --> 01:46:16,969
all speculation you know we we don't

2389
01:46:22,869 --> 01:46:19,399
know I don't think anybody else has a

2390
01:46:24,909 --> 01:46:22,879
comment on it but well I know I could

2391
01:46:26,799 --> 01:46:24,919
probably speak for Steve and a couple

2392
01:46:29,020 --> 01:46:26,809
other people at this table but I'm sure

2393
01:46:31,479 --> 01:46:29,030
you know plenty of us have been accused

2394
01:46:33,699 --> 01:46:31,489
of being part of the agenda being

2395
01:46:36,009 --> 01:46:33,709
reptilian aliens controlling the

2396
01:46:37,719 --> 01:46:36,019
information coming out so I know I'm a

2397
01:46:40,359 --> 01:46:37,729
reptilian you know I've been told that

2398
01:46:42,669 --> 01:46:40,369
many times so and people have gone so

2399
01:46:47,500 --> 01:46:42,679
far as to prove the slits in my eyes so

2400
01:46:52,089 --> 01:46:47,510
yeah I mean it's obviously happening I'm

2401
01:46:54,569 --> 01:46:52,099
a Gemini so I don't know I've been

2402
01:46:57,129 --> 01:46:54,579
accused my my I'll be speaking to this

2403
01:46:58,929 --> 01:46:57,139
tomorrow morning 9:00 a.m. I've been

2404
01:47:01,479 --> 01:46:58,939
accused of being part of a government

2405
01:47:03,009 --> 01:47:01,489
disinformation because of my movies and

2406
01:47:06,009 --> 01:47:03,019
on Wikipedia you'll see it there and

2407
01:47:09,129 --> 01:47:06,019
which is why actually I avoided going to

2408
01:47:11,589 --> 01:47:09,139
UFO conferences and conventions all this

2409
01:47:14,829 --> 01:47:11,599
time because I thought I might be taken

2410
01:47:16,689 --> 01:47:14,839
out and flogged and so but I anyway

2411
01:47:19,029 --> 01:47:16,699
enough time has passed but but I've been

2412
01:47:20,199 --> 01:47:19,039
accused of that and and at first it was

2413
01:47:21,939 --> 01:47:20,209
kind of like oh that's hysterical

2414
01:47:23,589 --> 01:47:21,949
here was a thing that was just this you

2415
01:47:25,899 --> 01:47:23,599
know a little weird movie and it's

2416
01:47:28,989 --> 01:47:25,909
become this and then I kind of got

2417
01:47:29,559 --> 01:47:28,999
pissed off and I was like hey this isn't

2418
01:47:31,689 --> 01:47:29,569
about that

2419
01:47:33,429 --> 01:47:31,699
this is about you know us trying to get

2420
01:47:37,020 --> 01:47:33,439
answers first and foremost everything

2421
01:47:39,129 --> 01:47:37,030
else is is biessing that won't swear but

2422
01:47:40,659 --> 01:47:39,139
they're gonna get pissed off what people

2423
01:47:42,849 --> 01:47:40,669
say on the net about you you need to get

2424
01:47:47,439 --> 01:47:42,859
a lifetime supply of xanax is amazing

2425
01:47:50,109 --> 01:47:47,449
you can't just just ignore it depends on

2426
01:47:55,239 --> 01:47:50,119
what you mean by manipulation the answer

2427
01:47:56,199 --> 01:47:55,249
is yes but in terms of what we know that

2428
01:47:59,619 --> 01:47:56,209
would come under the heading

2429
01:48:01,399 --> 01:47:59,629
manipulation I think for sure is fairly

2430
01:48:03,620 --> 01:48:01,409
straightforward

2431
01:48:05,930 --> 01:48:03,630
if they're if they're flying around in

2432
01:48:08,090 --> 01:48:05,940
the skies and being seen or allowing

2433
01:48:11,090 --> 01:48:08,100
themselves to be seen they are affecting

2434
01:48:13,479 --> 01:48:11,100
our world our perceptions they're

2435
01:48:16,879 --> 01:48:13,489
generating stories are generating

2436
01:48:18,879 --> 01:48:16,889
articles and papers and so forth when

2437
01:48:21,410 --> 01:48:18,889
the memory when that when when the when

2438
01:48:23,930 --> 01:48:21,420
Whitley's book came out and and and

2439
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:23,940
memory leakage started I was wondering

2440
01:48:27,830 --> 01:48:25,290
is that something they could have

2441
01:48:29,090 --> 01:48:27,840
prevented could they have tightened

2442
01:48:30,800 --> 01:48:29,100
people up more are they deliberately

2443
01:48:33,129 --> 01:48:30,810
allowing some leakage to take place

2444
01:48:35,689 --> 01:48:33,139
because obviously the emergence of

2445
01:48:37,850 --> 01:48:35,699
contactees and their stories put a lot

2446
01:48:40,550 --> 01:48:37,860
of pressure on the truth embargo that

2447
01:48:42,649 --> 01:48:40,560
manipulation they keep showing up in

2448
01:48:45,770 --> 01:48:42,659
England every year with more crop

2449
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:45,780
circles and they make sure to go back to

2450
01:48:49,340 --> 01:48:47,610
the same places so we definitely will

2451
01:48:51,770 --> 01:48:49,350
see it happen as opposed to maybe put

2452
01:48:54,350 --> 01:48:51,780
one up in Kazakhstan all right and be

2453
01:48:57,439 --> 01:48:54,360
found eight months later and then every

2454
01:49:00,530 --> 01:48:57,449
year people get more ultra lights and

2455
01:49:01,820 --> 01:49:00,540
and special cameras to try to catch them

2456
01:49:05,270 --> 01:49:01,830
doing it no problem they keep coming

2457
01:49:07,220 --> 01:49:05,280
back that's affecting us they take they

2458
01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:07,230
take material from animals particularly

2459
01:49:12,830 --> 01:49:10,770
cattle they could drop the cow in the

2460
01:49:16,360 --> 01:49:12,840
middle of Pacific well they leave it

2461
01:49:19,850 --> 01:49:16,370
there to be found and generate more

2462
01:49:23,510 --> 01:49:19,860
awareness so they are manipulating us

2463
01:49:25,780 --> 01:49:23,520
certainly in that sense to what purpose

2464
01:49:28,160 --> 01:49:25,790
well everybody has a theory about that

2465
01:49:30,350 --> 01:49:28,170
that I could speak to in terms of

2466
01:49:32,990 --> 01:49:30,360
controlling people putting messages in

2467
01:49:35,300 --> 01:49:33,000
their head guiding us directing us well

2468
01:49:37,459 --> 01:49:35,310
you know that's just the paranoia of the

2469
01:49:39,110 --> 01:49:37,469
net being driven by dysfunctional

2470
01:49:41,180 --> 01:49:39,120
government which has lost the trust of

2471
01:49:43,250 --> 01:49:41,190
American people so the net takes

2472
01:49:46,580 --> 01:49:43,260
everything and runs with it as far as

2473
01:49:48,500 --> 01:49:46,590
you can go but they are they are they

2474
01:49:50,570 --> 01:49:48,510
are altering our view it is clearly

2475
01:49:53,640 --> 01:49:50,580
intentional by then the question is why

2476
01:49:58,050 --> 01:49:53,650
and hopefully we'll know soon yeah

2477
01:50:01,760 --> 01:49:58,060
I think that we have to look at this

2478
01:50:07,380 --> 01:50:01,770
historically and dating back to the

2479
01:50:10,830 --> 01:50:07,390
1940s UFOs were showing up when around

2480
01:50:12,450 --> 01:50:10,840
nuclear installations tests and the

2481
01:50:14,220 --> 01:50:12,460
scientists at that time were even

2482
01:50:20,190 --> 01:50:14,230
speculating that perhaps this was a

2483
01:50:24,750 --> 01:50:20,200
byproduct of nuclear detonation and in

2484
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:24,760
starting in the 1950s we had warnings

2485
01:50:31,670 --> 01:50:28,810
from extraterrestrials that they were

2486
01:50:34,440 --> 01:50:31,680
very concerned about our nuclear weapons

2487
01:50:37,460 --> 01:50:34,450
I've been working on two studies

2488
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:37,470
recently one is freeze study of

2489
01:50:42,660 --> 01:50:39,850
experiencers with it was my

2490
01:50:46,700 --> 01:50:42,670
understanding we have about 4,000

2491
01:50:50,280 --> 01:50:46,710
participants now also on muffins

2492
01:50:54,090 --> 01:50:50,290
experiencer research project with dr.

2493
01:50:57,650 --> 01:50:54,100
Don seed on dairy and I have been

2494
01:51:01,110 --> 01:50:57,660
comparing the statements that

2495
01:51:04,440 --> 01:51:01,120
experiencers are receiving hundreds of

2496
01:51:07,590 --> 01:51:04,450
experiences are receiving and over and

2497
01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:07,600
over again I'm reading about concern

2498
01:51:14,370 --> 01:51:10,810
about our nuclear weapons people are

2499
01:51:19,740 --> 01:51:14,380
saying they are writing that at one time

2500
01:51:22,250 --> 01:51:19,750
in our distant past we have reached this

2501
01:51:25,830 --> 01:51:22,260
level of technological development and

2502
01:51:29,130 --> 01:51:25,840
when we reach that level we destroyed

2503
01:51:32,550 --> 01:51:29,140
this planet and now we have come that

2504
01:51:35,130 --> 01:51:32,560
far and we are very close to the point

2505
01:51:38,220 --> 01:51:35,140
where we destroyed this planet in the

2506
01:51:40,170 --> 01:51:38,230
past and they don't want that to happen

2507
01:51:42,180 --> 01:51:40,180
again and they're trying to stop that

2508
01:51:46,170 --> 01:51:42,190
I'm not saying that they're all

2509
01:51:48,480 --> 01:51:46,180
benevolent and they're not but over and

2510
01:51:52,020 --> 01:51:48,490
over again I'm receiving this message

2511
01:51:53,390 --> 01:51:52,030
from experiencers those Cathy Martin

2512
01:51:55,830 --> 01:51:53,400
thank you

2513
01:51:57,480 --> 01:51:55,840
when I hear it again sorry it's Dean

2514
01:51:59,790 --> 01:51:57,490
Alioto again when I hear that there that

2515
01:52:01,200 --> 01:51:59,800
we're destroying the planet I always

2516
01:52:03,180 --> 01:52:01,210
look at it like kind of an inside joke

2517
01:52:05,250 --> 01:52:03,190
that the planet has because we're not

2518
01:52:07,410 --> 01:52:05,260
destroying the planet we can't destroy

2519
01:52:09,959 --> 01:52:07,420
the planet we can make it inhabitable

2520
01:52:12,180 --> 01:52:09,969
for humans and for species but this

2521
01:52:15,630 --> 01:52:12,190
planet will recycle our you know petty

2522
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:15,640
yes yeah yeah yeah and so yeah exactly

2523
01:52:22,439 --> 01:52:20,010
so when we did Nagasaki Hiroshima the

2524
01:52:25,380 --> 01:52:22,449
aliens didn't show up then to prevent it

2525
01:52:29,660 --> 01:52:25,390
so why would they show up now as my

2526
01:52:37,169 --> 01:52:29,670
question and and and I hope they do but

2527
01:52:40,020 --> 01:52:37,179
yeah we have about 40 years of

2528
01:52:42,390 --> 01:52:40,030
experience or research we have about 40

2529
01:52:45,689 --> 01:52:42,400
years this Jim again we have about 40

2530
01:52:48,990 --> 01:52:45,699
years of experience or research they

2531
01:52:52,380 --> 01:52:49,000
don't ask about our government they

2532
01:52:54,630 --> 01:52:52,390
don't ask about who's on TV they don't

2533
01:52:56,790 --> 01:52:54,640
ask about our culture they don't ask

2534
01:53:01,380 --> 01:52:56,800
they refuse to answer questions about

2535
01:53:04,650 --> 01:53:01,390
religion but they are very concerned

2536
01:53:09,110 --> 01:53:04,660
about how we treat each other and how we

2537
01:53:11,400 --> 01:53:09,120
treat our planet and I see it as a

2538
01:53:12,959 --> 01:53:11,410
looking at it from the outside but

2539
01:53:15,450 --> 01:53:12,969
they're not going to do anything we have

2540
01:53:18,870 --> 01:53:15,460
to do it for ourselves and so I don't

2541
01:53:23,250 --> 01:53:18,880
see anything that would they're

2542
01:53:25,140 --> 01:53:23,260
manipulating I see a hands-off pour what

2543
01:53:27,510 --> 01:53:25,150
they're doing and we don't know as far

2544
01:53:31,169 --> 01:53:27,520
as you know as experiencers and what's

2545
01:53:38,250 --> 01:53:31,179
happened to us but as far as them trying

2546
01:53:41,130 --> 01:53:38,260
to intervene I don't see that some of

2547
01:53:42,810 --> 01:53:41,140
its analog sorry some of its analog and

2548
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:42,820
digital they shut it off so that is a

2549
01:53:47,000 --> 01:53:45,010
little bit of interception there right

2550
01:53:50,300 --> 01:53:47,010
well but think about it this way I

2551
01:53:54,630 --> 01:53:50,310
talked to Captain Robert Salas he was

2552
01:53:58,260 --> 01:53:54,640
m'as in charge of a flight of ICBMs that

2553
01:54:01,200 --> 01:53:58,270
was shut down and it was more of an

2554
01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:01,210
overt attempt to show our government

2555
01:54:06,959 --> 01:54:03,850
that you know we can do whatever we want

2556
01:54:09,150 --> 01:54:06,969
but they don't they don't stop wars they

2557
01:54:11,130 --> 01:54:09,160
do they let us they'll let us destroy

2558
01:54:14,369 --> 01:54:11,140
ourselves and that seems to be where

2559
01:54:21,270 --> 01:54:17,489
because here we are as Kathleen said

2560
01:54:24,599 --> 01:54:21,280
through all the studies that you're

2561
01:54:28,799 --> 01:54:24,609
doing with free and move on and for with

2562
01:54:30,869 --> 01:54:28,809
my 26 years of speaking intimately in

2563
01:54:35,489 --> 01:54:30,879
working intimately with experiencers

2564
01:54:37,859 --> 01:54:35,499
their concern has always been that we're

2565
01:54:41,009 --> 01:54:37,869
going to we're destroying our planet and

2566
01:54:43,979 --> 01:54:41,019
we need to pay attention and within the

2567
01:54:47,040 --> 01:54:43,989
last five years and this is what I wrote

2568
01:54:50,520 --> 01:54:47,050
my new book chosen and the second part

2569
01:54:53,489 --> 01:54:50,530
of that book I put I'd heard it over and

2570
01:54:55,919 --> 01:54:53,499
over and over again that and I called it

2571
01:54:59,459 --> 01:54:55,929
the urgency because I've been hearing

2572
01:55:00,750 --> 01:54:59,469
from experiencers new people one after

2573
01:55:02,129 --> 01:55:00,760
another coming into my office they don't

2574
01:55:05,069 --> 01:55:02,139
know each other and they're saying the

2575
01:55:07,080 --> 01:55:05,079
same thing I feel like something is

2576
01:55:09,770 --> 01:55:07,090
coming down the pike pretty soon this

2577
01:55:12,540 --> 01:55:09,780
was before the 2016 elections by the way

2578
01:55:14,310 --> 01:55:12,550
they were they didn't know they know

2579
01:55:16,290 --> 01:55:14,320
that they were supposed to do something

2580
01:55:20,339 --> 01:55:16,300
but they didn't know what many of them

2581
01:55:22,799 --> 01:55:20,349
said that I think I'm supposed to find

2582
01:55:25,379 --> 01:55:22,809
more out about my experience I think I'm

2583
01:55:29,040 --> 01:55:25,389
supposed to talk about them I think I'm

2584
01:55:31,049 --> 01:55:29,050
supposed to talk to the public about my

2585
01:55:34,080 --> 01:55:31,059
abductions and other people have said

2586
01:55:37,830 --> 01:55:34,090
the same thing and these are people who

2587
01:55:41,879 --> 01:55:37,840
had these careers making six figures

2588
01:55:44,580 --> 01:55:41,889
telling me you know I went to school I

2589
01:55:46,589 --> 01:55:44,590
got my degree I've had very successful

2590
01:55:51,989 --> 01:55:46,599
but that doesn't mean anything anymore

2591
01:55:53,729 --> 01:55:51,999
and I've heard this over and over so I

2592
01:55:55,589 --> 01:55:53,739
thought it was important enough to put

2593
01:55:57,750 --> 01:55:55,599
in my new book I wanted to hear from

2594
01:56:00,810 --> 01:55:57,760
other experiences from around the

2595
01:56:02,969 --> 01:56:00,820
country and my book is being translated

2596
01:56:07,529 --> 01:56:02,979
into Portuguese and I'm hoping I get

2597
01:56:10,679 --> 01:56:07,539
emails you know from these people from

2598
01:56:13,919 --> 01:56:10,689
Brazil because I think I think

2599
01:56:17,969 --> 01:56:13,929
experiences are trying to tell us or

2600
01:56:20,790 --> 01:56:17,979
tell the the masses that they're feeling

2601
01:56:24,869 --> 01:56:20,800
that something is coming now whether we

2602
01:56:27,270 --> 01:56:24,879
know whether it's because of the 2016

2603
01:56:28,229 --> 01:56:27,280
elections that we all went through but

2604
01:56:30,930 --> 01:56:28,239
they said this was how

2605
01:56:33,029 --> 01:56:30,940
I mean before there and they mentioned

2606
01:56:38,759 --> 01:56:33,039
nuclear weapons they were afraid of

2607
01:56:41,399 --> 01:56:38,769
nuclear war many of my clients support

2608
01:56:46,109 --> 01:56:41,409
group members felt compelled to go out

2609
01:56:47,939 --> 01:56:46,119
and stock up on water and food and so

2610
01:56:51,660 --> 01:56:47,949
whatever this all means I mean I don't

2611
01:56:53,729 --> 01:56:51,670
have the answers yet but I I wanted to

2612
01:56:55,620 --> 01:56:53,739
pay enough attention to the experiencers

2613
01:57:00,029 --> 01:56:55,630
that I've been working with and hearing

2614
01:57:01,890 --> 01:57:00,039
from that I think with what they're

2615
01:57:05,189 --> 01:57:01,900
saying the masses coming forward I think

2616
01:57:08,250 --> 01:57:05,199
that's what's gonna push us forward and

2617
01:57:11,819 --> 01:57:08,260
then with you know with what Steve's

2618
01:57:17,430 --> 01:57:11,829
doing I think altogether something is

2619
01:57:19,859 --> 01:57:17,440
going to happen I mean just just just we

2620
01:57:21,779 --> 01:57:19,869
only have a few minutes left but see if

2621
01:57:23,729 --> 01:57:21,789
you don't mind if I just continue in the

2622
01:57:25,500 --> 01:57:23,739
question I said that a lot of people say

2623
01:57:27,870 --> 01:57:25,510
to me that there's no way the government

2624
01:57:29,370 --> 01:57:27,880
would ever disclose anything because of

2625
01:57:31,049 --> 01:57:29,380
all the lies that they have told all all

2626
01:57:33,540 --> 01:57:31,059
the cover-ups I've done that just that

2627
01:57:36,149 --> 01:57:33,550
just reflects the the level of distrust

2628
01:57:39,839 --> 01:57:36,159
in government now how people feel it's

2629
01:57:41,069 --> 01:57:39,849
an emotional thing I sure the British

2630
01:57:43,109 --> 01:57:41,079
didn't want to leave India but they did

2631
01:57:46,379 --> 01:57:43,119
the South didn't want to say Greece

2632
01:57:47,609 --> 01:57:46,389
everybody did right a lot of men didn't

2633
01:57:51,629 --> 01:57:47,619
want the women to have a vote but they

2634
01:57:53,879 --> 01:57:51,639
got it believe me the certain thing and

2635
01:57:57,060 --> 01:57:53,889
fund fundamental things like that are

2636
01:58:00,600 --> 01:57:57,070
inevitable but get back what was we said

2637
01:58:02,009 --> 01:58:00,610
earlier they you know I forgot about the

2638
01:58:03,629 --> 01:58:02,019
nuclear weapons thing you look at the

2639
01:58:05,669 --> 01:58:03,639
nuclear weapons thing I don't see that

2640
01:58:07,890 --> 01:58:05,679
as manipulation I see it as messaging

2641
01:58:10,919 --> 01:58:07,900
they have been messaging us all right

2642
01:58:13,319 --> 01:58:10,929
and so we're getting messages fine and

2643
01:58:17,279 --> 01:58:13,329
these messages is sort of seem to add up

2644
01:58:17,700 --> 01:58:17,289
into a picture and little things like

2645
01:58:19,859 --> 01:58:17,710
this

2646
01:58:21,270 --> 01:58:19,869
I mean I've talked with you know scores

2647
01:58:23,370 --> 01:58:21,280
of experience does that talk with plenty

2648
01:58:25,169 --> 01:58:23,380
of researchers who talk to experienced

2649
01:58:26,879 --> 01:58:25,179
yours and I've read stuff I have never

2650
01:58:29,700 --> 01:58:26,889
read a single or heard a single count of

2651
01:58:31,649 --> 01:58:29,710
an experience saying I just I got taken

2652
01:58:33,209 --> 01:58:31,659
off the ship last night and then they do

2653
01:58:36,330 --> 01:58:33,219
that exam and then they they they sat me

2654
01:58:37,640 --> 01:58:36,340
down and they told me you need to have

2655
01:58:40,610 --> 01:58:37,650
more Wars

2656
01:58:43,040 --> 01:58:40,620
you're not having enough force we we

2657
01:58:46,160 --> 01:58:43,050
advanced civilizations we reward afar

2658
01:58:50,540 --> 01:58:46,170
rapid pace to ninja me that that sounds

2659
01:58:52,400 --> 01:58:50,550
silly but it's not silly right so we're

2660
01:58:53,810 --> 01:58:52,410
getting messages and the other thing

2661
01:58:57,290 --> 01:58:53,820
I'll add is this and I talked about this

2662
01:58:59,990 --> 01:58:57,300
so much when we look at is it the ETS

2663
01:59:01,940 --> 01:59:00,000
show up in 47 very likely connected to

2664
01:59:03,530 --> 01:59:01,950
the h-bomb are the bombs rather they

2665
01:59:05,780 --> 01:59:03,540
were dropped are you fine but it's not

2666
01:59:08,990 --> 01:59:05,790
just that they this is not their first

2667
01:59:11,870 --> 01:59:09,000
rodeo they they could come down or

2668
01:59:13,460 --> 01:59:11,880
they're watching us but as a 47 they I'm

2669
01:59:15,280 --> 01:59:13,470
sure they're capable of looking at that

2670
01:59:19,360 --> 01:59:15,290
particular moment and projecting out

2671
01:59:25,400 --> 01:59:19,370
within a relatively narrow frame our

2672
01:59:27,590 --> 01:59:25,410
thresholds on AI robotics genetic major

2673
01:59:30,350 --> 01:59:27,600
capabilities all right

2674
01:59:31,760 --> 01:59:30,360
and so forth and so forth all of these

2675
01:59:34,160 --> 01:59:31,770
technological things which are now

2676
01:59:35,870 --> 01:59:34,170
coming at us of which we have no ethical

2677
01:59:37,580 --> 01:59:35,880
basis to deal with yet we're not making

2678
01:59:39,020 --> 01:59:37,590
any effort to deal with it right it's

2679
01:59:41,390 --> 01:59:39,030
like well we're gonna you do it you do

2680
01:59:42,890 --> 01:59:41,400
it and they see that coming in fact they

2681
01:59:45,470 --> 01:59:42,900
are coming in bunches it's all

2682
01:59:48,560 --> 01:59:45,480
compressed and so what they know is that

2683
01:59:53,300 --> 01:59:48,570
from from 1900 on but certainly for 1947

2684
01:59:55,070 --> 01:59:53,310
on the technological curve of stuff that

2685
01:59:57,650 --> 01:59:55,080
we're gonna potentially get involved in

2686
02:00:00,080 --> 01:59:57,660
is going straight up whereas our how

2687
02:00:01,160 --> 02:00:00,090
would you say consciousness wisdom base

2688
02:00:03,440 --> 02:00:01,170
is just right here

2689
02:00:04,880 --> 02:00:03,450
and this gap is going to destroy us and

2690
02:00:06,380 --> 02:00:04,890
so guess what all of a sudden they

2691
02:00:08,960 --> 02:00:06,390
escalate their presence and we've got

2692
02:00:11,390 --> 02:00:08,970
ETS coming and going and it's only 70

2693
02:00:13,880 --> 02:00:11,400
years but that gap is still growing

2694
02:00:15,050 --> 02:00:13,890
right you've got people talking about

2695
02:00:17,480 --> 02:00:15,060
the robots could take all the way the

2696
02:00:19,390 --> 02:00:17,490
jobs sex robots gonna take away sex I

2697
02:00:22,190 --> 02:00:19,400
mean have that anymore except robots

2698
02:00:23,540 --> 02:00:22,200
nobody and all this stuff and we're

2699
02:00:26,120 --> 02:00:23,550
gonna download our conscience I'm going

2700
02:00:28,670 --> 02:00:26,130
you know what's crazy about that is it's

2701
02:00:30,770 --> 02:00:28,680
probably true and so they're going okay

2702
02:00:33,170 --> 02:00:30,780
before you go there you it's time for

2703
02:00:35,180 --> 02:00:33,180
you to know about us it's time for us to

2704
02:00:36,500 --> 02:00:35,190
have a little chat it's time for you to

2705
02:00:38,150 --> 02:00:36,510
get a little wisdom from us and maybe

2706
02:00:39,860 --> 02:00:38,160
interact and so that you guys can get

2707
02:00:41,810 --> 02:00:39,870
through this and actually have a viable

2708
02:00:43,550 --> 02:00:41,820
civilization I really think that's

2709
02:00:46,340 --> 02:00:43,560
what's going on and I'm feel good about

2710
02:00:49,250 --> 02:00:46,350
it all right well hey we're out of time

2711
02:00:51,020 --> 02:00:49,260
everyone Hey look at the camera and wave

2712
02:00:56,959 --> 02:00:51,030
and thanks everyone

2713
02:00:57,580 --> 02:00:56,969
much wave goodbye yes all right thank

2714
02:00:59,990 --> 02:00:57,590
you

2715
02:01:02,899 --> 02:01:00,000
all right everyone so we'll be back next

2716
02:01:05,160 --> 02:01:02,909
week at the regular time and remember to

2717
02:01:10,380 --> 02:01:05,170
keep your eyes to the sky